(I try not to make a practice of posting on threads about people I hate/make me mad, but as a Canadian academic, this guy has been an unavoidable nuisance for the last year or so.)
― iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link
That's where he gets his money, but that's far from all he talks about. To be fair I'm not at all interested in the internecine battles of Canadian academics.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 11 November 2017 05:18 (six years ago) link
^suggest ban
― bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:05 (six years ago) link
Perhaps he has a way to tie all this together and I'm just not aware, but yeah, it's really difficult for me to see "marxist post-modernism" as anything but a paradox.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link
To be fair I'm not at all interested in the internecine battles of Canadian academics.
He is literally talking about using his social media following to go 'as hard as [he] possibly can' after any courses, disciplines, or professors that his computer program judges to be 'postmodern' via a scan of keywords in course descriptions. This isn't about something he said on a tenure review committee.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
ftr, Chomsky never tried to prevent students from being exposed to other ideas.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
ha, that's a good one and i loved the distinction between post-modern neo-marxism and cultural marxism.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 November 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
In the least shocking news ever, Bill Maher is having this asshole on his show next week.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 14 April 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
Boring guy nobody pays attention to imo. Maher or Petersen whatever.
― everything, Saturday, 14 April 2018 04:24 (six years ago) link
Shit, we already had a thread for this fuck?There’s been months of bullshit about him on the alt-right thread. Also, fuck this guy,he’s a despicable idiot grifter and a nihilist at heart. I hope his family abandons him and his funeral is a well-oiled procedure conducted by bureaucrats wearing disposable gloves.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 April 2018 04:51 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyw3Nl8LbFg
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
I’m waiting for the revelation that this guy has just been a Christoph Waltz character all along.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Monday, 23 April 2018 03:27 (six years ago) link
Bill Maher’s endless piping on about how he’s some arbiter of anti pc is laughable. Luckily Maher is so dumb that most guests can just shut him down
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
oh, come in.. I didn't see you out there... in the dark.welcome... welcome to Lobster Manor... a respite, or perhaps, a trap? I jape, traveler, I jape... I think if nothing else you will find the accommodations very... clean.yes... very clean indeed. pic.twitter.com/FrB3B2Ucq6— lvl45 CHAOS POTUS who thinks 'the pee won't leak' (@thetomzone) April 22, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
should I be surprised that every comment on that video is complaining about the woman on the panel for not shutting up and listening to Jordan Peterson
― frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
was trying to figure out who he reminded me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAzjJRZ6HA
― omar little, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
He’s a little like Kermit the frog vocally.
My buddy tried to show me this clown’s video on the Illuminati and I shut it off in 30 seconds. His lectures are insufferable - somewhat more tolerable on Maher but yeah I couldn’t believe my otherwise intelligent friend likes this fuckhead. Escalated into my friend calling me a dick and my response was “sorry man, can’t go for that “
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
what about the illuminati though??
― Evan, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
Sorry Evan what do you mean? He was talking about the eye of Horus on the bill etc
Just the usual paranoid ravings of a madman
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
ross otm, i can't even see the appeal w/ this guy at all
― marcos, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
"all the lefties are telling you this, that's what the postmodernists do, they are totalitarian! " bla bla bla he is completely unlistenable
― marcos, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
he totally bombed on the Overtime segment. they're all talking about Trump impeachment + everything developing now and JP pipes up "but what will happen to the people that like him/identified with him" ...but in many more words & just confused + stumbling. also Alex Wagner owned him with that line "wow you really know a lot about me for having just met me"
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
I don't know, I thought he brought up a completely reasonable point about the current divide and the inevitable mess with Trump loyalists when their king is deposed. The problem was that he was making a plea for considering MAGA feelings immediately on the heels of arguing that when "solving a problem" it is *necessary* to offend others, and Wagner pounced on that.
― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 23 April 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
this guy set his minions on me a couple weeks ago:
One activist, Sean Michaels @stgramophone, objects to me & the great & callow cowards at @Metropolisbleu dissociate themselves from @MtPressClub event honoring courageous Saudi dissident Raif Badawi (https://t.co/47ANcuIZSq) @BarbaraRKay @DMillardHaskell @benshapiro @joerogan pic.twitter.com/OKbWiflxQX— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) April 11, 2018
let me put it this way: for acolytes of a self-help guru, they are not a very pleasant group of people
― sean gramophone, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
ugh this guy just drips self-satisfaction, he's so overly mannered in his poses and countenance, he's just deeply in love with himself. no wonder he appeals to red pill shitheads.
― omar little, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Monday, April 23, 2018 1:38 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Right, the way everyone responded to it (m/l "not talking down to people or telling them they're dumb") was otm, but Peterson was essentially just hemming and hawing trying not to say exactly that, "what about their feelings?" which is especially rich after his whole "right to be offended" thing (which is otm).
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
He's never going to go away, is he
― jmm, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
I mean the way they portrayed him on the show elided all of the worst stuff JP has said. In isolation he came off OK on the show. Would've been nice if they quoted or played clips of what he's actually said about transpeople.
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
I think like a lot of these figures his audience will dwindle to a small amount of true believers (and then continue to shrink) rather soon. He's not canny enough to reinvent himself in order to keep up with the modern attention cycle. Only someone like Trump can do that and he had to become president to do it.
― ryan, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Thought this was a fairly decent yarn
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
whoever it was that said "oh, we need to *educate* these people" should read one of the many many NYT articles about how Trump voters still love Trump, despite the fact that he's done fuck all to help them
― frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
feel like this guy is just the latest version of Camille Paglia or Richard Dawkins or any number of other "controversial" academic media-figures that manages to push people's buttons. Eventually the luster/novelty fades and no one gives a shit anymore.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
All these charlatans just stay in their circle. But the idea that he is 'the most influential intellectual' or whatever seems to have come and gone. At the end he has written a popular self-help book.
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
just another daddy figure who will disappoint in the end, i figure
― omar little, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
Alas, the odds that Kanye gives him another signal boost in the next little bit are pretty solid
― Simon H., Monday, 23 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
Listened to one of his interviews with Joe Rogan a few weeks ago. I like the self-help jibberjabber, but every five minutes it would be punctuated by "...and these postmodern neomarxists on the left want eqwolity of oatcome!" What might be a good self-help author who doesn't have issues?
And can someone explain the postmodernism thing to me? I don't know anything about postmodernist philosophy, but the art has always seemed very nice.
― how's life, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
You want book recommendations, or you want an explanation of the whole 'postmodern marxism ruined western civilization' spiel?
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
re: self-help, I hear good things about David Smail's stuff.
― Simon H., Monday, 23 April 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Fred, book reccos for the self-help stuff. I'm hoping for just a precis on the postmodern boogieman.
― how's life, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
the best 'postmodernism' is so amazing and ethical, i just don't get the kneejerk response.
― you bet, nancy (map), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
any critique of power is so suggestive about all sorts of new possibilities, why are people so fucking scared of that? people suck
― you bet, nancy (map), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
how's life if you want conservative up-its-own-ass self-help without so many explicit problems and a bit more openness from a poet's perspective check out 'iron john'.
― you bet, nancy (map), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
really though everyone needs to read bell hooks
― you bet, nancy (map), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
I've just always taken the 'postmodern marxism' thing to be like this: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/78mnny/unwrapping-the-conspiracy-theory-that-drives-the-alt-right Though less tainted by literal nazis.
For real postmodernism, I'd say read Lyotard. Short and good. The Postmodern Condition is the classic, that defines the problem as the lack of grand narratives. The Differend is even better, dealing with truth and politics, and Just Gaming is an attempt at defining a new ethics without narratives, based on gaming. 'Just Gaming' Get it?
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 April 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
i'd go with deleuze & guattari, derrida and foucault. there's more juice in a single paragraph written by any of them than anything this peterson shithead could possibly conceive of. i've only read a little but roland barthes is fun. alain badiou for something more contemporary. why are all these jordan peterson types scared so shitless of feminism? at it's best it's some of the most rigorous, bracing truth anyone can read!
i think science and technology studies has a lot of force to push back against the "science is god" people like maher. i.e. bruno latour, "we have never been modern," which is a pretty great title imo
We Have Never Been Modern is a 1991 book by Bruno Latour, originally published in French as Nous n'avons jamais été modernes : Essai d'anthropologie symétrique (English translation: 1993).[1]
The book is an "anthropology of science" that explores the dualistic distinction modernity makes between nature and society. Pre-modern peoples, argues Latour, made no such division. Contemporary matters of public concern such as global warming, the HIV/AIDS pandemic and emerging biotechnologies mix politics, science, popular and specialist discourse to such a degree that a tidy nature/culture dualism is no longer possible. This inconsistency has given rise to post-modern and anti-modern movements. Latour attempts to reconnect the social and natural worlds by arguing that the modernist distinction between nature and culture never existed. He claims we must rework our thinking to conceive of a "Parliament of Things" wherein natural phenomena, social phenomena and the discourse about them are not seen as separate objects to be studied by specialists, but as hybrids made and scrutinized by the public interaction of people, things and concepts.[2][3]
also: david harvey (geography background), who is very readable on space and capital
― you bet, nancy (map), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
Walker Percy’s Lost in the Cosmos is a fun one.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 05:48 (six years ago) link
STS should be taught in high school
― rob, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:18 (six years ago) link
i uh waht
https://i.imgur.com/qCDdu4E.jpg
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=jordan%20peterson
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:43 (six years ago) link
Jordan Peterson misrepresented something?
That is the most shocking thing I've heard in the last five minutes.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 21:09 (seven months ago) link
He also admits he doesn't actually need his psychologist license because he hasn't done any private practice for years. But basically he likes it as a credential.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 21:20 (seven months ago) link
I think he had to take a remedial course before, so this is all acting.
― adam t. (abanana)
a remedial course in acting?
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 21:53 (seven months ago) link
That he definitely needs.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 21:59 (seven months ago) link
JBP dressing less like the Riddler and more like an 80s Doctor Who (Colin Baker or other)
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 21:59 (seven months ago) link
I was about to say exactly this
― the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:53 (seven months ago) link
its nice this guy has completely blown through the strangely high level of credibility he had a few years ago because I have to say I find him to be incredibly funny sometimes. he's like a Seinfeld character particularly a cross between Newman and Crazy Joe Davola. "wheel see who cancels who!" is just an objectively funny line sorry
― frogbs, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:58 (seven months ago) link
Doctor Who Are You to Ask Me for my Pronouns
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:58 (seven months ago) link
Lol
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:59 (seven months ago) link
every single comment on this video from JB's youtube is like, Surely you, Dr. Peterson, sir, will persevere in your fight to illuminate the truth in dark times! Godspeed my good sir
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 00:22 (seven months ago) link
Lots of people come back all weird after being killed and resurrected by their daughter
― treeship., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:13 (seven months ago) link
with all due respect Dr. Peterson I'm built different
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:16 (seven months ago) link
yeah now that i think about it he did go to Russia to regenerate into his current form
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:53 (seven months ago) link
treeship otm
― mh, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 03:00 (seven months ago) link
its nice this guy has completely blown through the strangely high level of credibility he had a few years ago
He still has credibility in the UK media, I think he wrote a "thinkpiece" for the Daily Telegraph recently and I would not be surprised in the least to see him still pop up on UK television.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 08:47 (seven months ago) link
Hey, all those shifts on the milking machine gonna take a role on a person’s sanity
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:53 (seven months ago) link
Monthly Python (Tom D.) at 9:47 30 Aug 23its nice this guy has completely blown through the strangely high level of credibility he had a few years agoHe still has credibility in the UK media, I think he wrote a "thinkpiece" for the Daily Telegraph recently and I would not be surprised in the least to see him still pop up on UK television.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:00 (seven months ago) link