Brand New: emo beacon or lesser light?

pete wentz prob has an upcoming reckoning too

yeahhhh

sigh

i was aware jesse was an asshole for 1000 years but not that much of one

Brand New is cancelled and I'm here to remind you that you can't separate the art from the artist. pic.twitter.com/aa8SmJkA4z

— Autumn Lavis (@AutumnLavis) November 10, 2017

oh that's contained in the facebook thread. sorry.

lesser light

i like the music but this guy wears patagonia hats ppl

well damn :/

i’ve been flagging more posts than usual today

it’s almost always some asshole making a joke out of sexual assault

https://www.facebook.com/BrandNew/posts/10155923794753023

jesse basically admits to it without actually addressing it

don't recommend the comments

Felt like some of the powers that be were dragging their feet about permanently writing these guys off, but those new allegations should be the nail in the coffin. Truly horrific.

There was some other Warped Tour band a few years back accused of some similar grooming, right? Can't remember which one they were, but it makes me wonder if this is a trend that's particularly common in this scene. Seems like a toxic confluence of technology/fan access + song subject matter perfect for drawing/earning the trust and sympathies of vulnerable young fans. It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

i think this is a weird conclusion to arrive at but it sure is popular

anyway yes this band is basically dead to me

http://flavorwire.com/528083/pop-punk-keeps-forgiving-sexual-harassers-to-the-detriment-of-its-teen-girl-fanbase

Great piece. Also this one from 2015 hints at how vast the scope of the problem is: https://medium.com/cuepoint/warped-behavior-sexual-violence-on-tour-8ad218d50bc9

Gotta imagine there's a reckoning coming. How many dozens of bands must have known this stuff went on and turned a blind eye to it?

i was once at a green day show when i was about 15, i was getting a ride home from these friends of a friend's older brother and they were huge nerds who wanted to stay and meet the band afterwards, which i wasn't really interested in but they were my ride home. tre cool (who would've been late 20s at the time) spent the whole time trying to convince a 15/16 year old girl to get on the tour bus with him, and pulled his cock out at some stage with some really flimsy pretext.

jesus fucking christ

When I was in university taking a shuttle bus between campuses, I randomly overheard a girl (roughly my age at the time so I'd say 18-20) talking about how she'd had sex with someone from GD after a show. That's pretty second-hand, obviously, but it's always stayed with me.

Have other band members responded yet?

Not that I've seen.

I finally brought myself to read the Pitchfork piece and jfc

If anyone ever wants to write a piece about #MeToo and artist fandom, which someone probably should, they'd do well to start with the wildly divergent (and still-unraveling) reactions on the Brand New subreddit.

can't bring myself to read that tbh. used to be a part of the brand new online fan community as a teenager and those people are nuts

sort of hate myself for loving this record as much as I do. but maybe that's what brand new's music is about, and why it speaks to me so much -- so much of it deals in guilt, self-loathing...it feels very earned.

October 2018? hell yeah