brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

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yeah, probably - altho again i find it hard to understand how even the most ardent leaver can have faith that this shower of morons and cowards are actually capable of delivering a brexit that doesn't get the country pulped

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link

They don't care about the country being pulped, they just want these Muslims out their freedom.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link

If the Lib Dems weren't so shite, they'd be taking votes from the Tories.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link

the lib dems disbanded a few months ago didn't they?

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link

pretty sure i'm remembering that correctly

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link

can't remember the last time i saw vince kibble tbh

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link

rebranded themselves as The Radical Party iirc

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:19 (six years ago) link

big man vince and the roots radics

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link

a lib-do-dem, a lib-do-dem dem dem

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link

As far as PiP goes, I was lucky that there was a local-ish man who used to work for them and now volunteers helping people through it. Very busy, very good guy. But then a friend of mine just got it in a tribunal after six months of refusal, and she's much sicker than me; she spent five year from 17 to 23 in institutions, but apparently she's fit to work a year later despite her GP and psych misgivings. It's so up in the air, and dependent on personality and likeable was (not me, but folks helping me). Which is the key, I think - having good advocates.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link

Should be 'likeability'

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link

Yep, the advocate my partner had from the CAB was a complete piece of garbage and almost like a bystander for much of the appeal hearing. And then just coldly said: You've lost, taxi is coming in 5 mins - so go wait outside.

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link

I've still never heard a justification for this system. It's nonsense in common sense, medical, and political terms. I know what the Tories are wanting to do - cut money - but I have no idea how them make that presentable.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link

Half of the community I'm part with is military, and right wing - but none of them defend this.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:09 (six years ago) link

Most people try and dismiss the post ATOS assessment dead disabled people as hyperbole or as on last night's QT where the Tory voter is naming Chakraborty as "the Donald Trump of the Guardian" for mentioning them.

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link

Even some liberal types are a bit: This talk of dead disabled people isn't quite helpful.

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link

They would probably have died anyway.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link

Yeah - it's just the lack of affirmative support that's interesting. I've heard people downplay it, or 'what are you going to do?' it.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link

I don't think people want to hear about it or think about it, even now that they've begun to realize austerity hasn't worked.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

The statistics are damning enough, but individual accounts of the some of the deaths are truly horrifying. I suppose that may be a bit "awkward" for some people.

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link

"all schools to be converted to academies", remember that one? ... the proposal died in ignominy

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand)

it's still the aspiration!

conrad, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link

If you’re determined to point to rising penury, and can find no other data to sustain your hunch, you’ll jab at whatever you can. “Food bank use is at record levels!”. Yes. So is smartphone use, and for the same reason: neither existed 20 years ago. Innovation spreads.

Brain genius Dan Hannan.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link

Indeed, and he's virtually considered an intellectual in the modern Conservative Party.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link

He also likes to get irrationally angry about the continued existence + popularity of the NHS, and blames it on "hardline leftist brainwashing". He'd send a T-800 terminator back to the 40's if he could, to kill the NHS - Not Hitler!

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link

Many xposts. I usually lurk but I'm hoping this is useful for you a hoy hoy http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/personal-independence-payment-assessment

EmperorofChairs (TheScienceLaw), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link

heh

Second edition @EveningStandard: senior sources in Government have told our @JoeMurphyLondon today that Boris’s job is now “on the line” pic.twitter.com/6WL8CMkWOr

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) November 10, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link

Oh so Gidzy isn't just addressing headlines directly to his own Mum at this point.

nashwan, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

that dan hannan comment sv posted is giving me a migraine

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

more and more people are turning to the convenience and variety of food banks

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link

If foodbanks can be "uplifting" + "innovative", maybe we need to start re-branding homeless people as "transient pioneer pathfinders" or something.

calzino, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link

Evening Standard are forever printing adverts for super value food banks on their front page too.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link

food banks keep the big supermarket chains on their toes, and consumers are the winners

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

I've been dealing with a pantry moth infestation and one of the first results I found of someone giving advice on that was a woman who'd gotten the moths from food she got from a food bank

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link

food banks: increasing biodiversity

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link

Thanks for the advice guys. We have got the gf's mum to contact the professional who helped her with her pension forms, who knows the situation, to help her with a lot of it and they are meeting Monday. The gf also contacted her brothers carer and he has given assurances he will spend the whole assessment day with him and make him do as much as he can (Aaron hasn't left the house in 2 years and barely lets his mum or this carer in his room so this is the most important part). I've passed on all the links you gave and snippets of advice like maybe getting his carer to record it.

plums (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 11 November 2017 10:26 (six years ago) link

I think he'll be ok, is he having to go to the assessment? Because you can insist they come to him at home if he has trouble coping coping with new environments. At least that is what I'm doing when my son's assessment comes up next year. He has meltdowns and can seriously self-harm these days and taking him to an unfamiliar place where there isn't a swimming pool or a trampoline arena definitely won't be a productive experience.

calzino, Saturday, 11 November 2017 10:38 (six years ago) link

doubling coping there for some reason!

calzino, Saturday, 11 November 2017 10:41 (six years ago) link

I rewatched that QT clip last night and Stella Creasy visibly winces when Chakrabortty mentions the deadly effect of assessments. She absolutely winces, because of course it was one of her pals that brought in ATOS in the first place. I appreciate she has done some good work recently, but I'm so glad her wing of the party is fucked rn.

calzino, Saturday, 11 November 2017 11:24 (six years ago) link

PIP deaths are the UK's version of spree shootings - 'how dare you politicise this tragic death that obviously has nothing to do with government policy'.

Matt DC, Saturday, 11 November 2017 11:55 (six years ago) link

not nearly as extensively covered in the media tho

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 11 November 2017 11:59 (six years ago) link

yeah, just the same levels of self-deception at work, when cause + effect is blindingly obvious.

calzino, Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:00 (six years ago) link

I don't know what this woman's done to annoy the Tories but:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/michael-gove-jailed-briton-iran-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link

Gove is far more concerned with building Boris bridges than unequivocally stating she was on fucking holiday, this morning. What a cunt, seriously, there won't be enough gulags.

calzino, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/is-this-britains-worst-postwar-government

crossfile to 'is the guardian worse than it used to be' thread, which really needs renaming

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link

'is the guardian more in hock to the right than it was two years ago'

imago, Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link

It could only get worse after Heath’s defeat. Harold Wilson returned, inflation rocketed, culminating in the humiliation of the IMF bailout in 1976 and Denis Healey being forced to return for a meeting of finance ministers to face public wrath.

By the way, Callaghan's government got inflation down to under 10%, when Thatcher got in it, to coin a phrase, rocketed up to near 20%.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link

that was a broad cross-section of public opinion

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link

surely "LBC radio drivetime presenter" is a position that automatically renders yr opinion less than worthless?

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link

The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s The prime minister’s popularity is higher than Jeremy Corbyn’s

With who?

plums (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link

BBC news running Gove's comments this morning as "it's still not clear why Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was in Iran". unfuckingbelievable, these people are vermin.

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link


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