Worst Fifth Film In A Series

he defeated the borgs!

I downloaded a fan edit of the SW prequels compressed into a single movie with as little Annie and Jar Jar as possible, and it's very enjoyable.

I haven't seen any of the individual prequels since I saw them in the theater, so I really can't judge them fairly.

I can, however, judge Morbs and his very wrong opinions about Picard. Shame on you, sir.

His Star Wars was the best Star Wars.

police academy 5 was a big letdown after all-time series high police academy 4: citizens on patrol

i mean maybe it's good on its own terms but i find it very hard to approach without comparing the two

I very tentatively started rewatching the Police Academy series a few years back and was surprised to find that the first two were actually decent and occasionally funny. That was all over by the third one, though.

I've seen very, very few of these.

I thought Attack of the Clones was far worse than Phantom Menace: after PM didn't provide much more than a basis, I expected Clones to deliver with story progress but it hardly did. I saw the film only once, back then in the cinema, but I've never had any interest in seeing it again. I remember that most of the movie's attention went to the romantic & emotional problems of Anakin Skywalker, as performed by someone who couldn't act.

I've seen the fifth Potter, which was a massive step down from the fourth IMO.

X-Men First Class was pretty great I thought, even if the villains weren't grand.

Seen Bond & pretty sure I've seen all Police Academy movies, I think that's it.

Of the few I know, Clones is definitely the worst.

special shout-out for superman returns, which manages to capture enough of the charm of richard donner's superman movies to make it even more of a slap in the face when our hero is revealed as both a deadbeat dad and a creepy weirdo using his x-ray vision to spy on his ex

Also each of Superman's challenges simply involves lifting a heavier thing than the last one iirc.

Skipped almost all of these.

GOOD
Final Destination 5
Seed of Chucky

MEH
Muppet Treasure Island
A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child
Prometheus
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
X-Men: First Class

BAD
Benji: Off the Leash!
Friday the 13th: A New Beginning
A Good Day To Die Hard
Ice Age: Collision Course
Vacation

UGLY
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

i love that you skipped almost all of these but still found the time to screen benji: off the leash!

That was on assignment.

Most of those were on assignment.

tbh i prefer my initial assumption that you were a die-hard benji fan who was bitterly disappointed by his fifth cinematic outing

tbh, I prefer that assumption too

"fans used to spend hours in contentious speculation over what benji would be like taken off his leash. well, now the question is answered, but was THIS what we waited seventeen years for? five films and three decades in, it's clear Camp has lost his passion for the series"

and yes - all five theatrical benji films were directed by the same guy! the forthcoming reboot will be helmed by his son if I understand correctly. that's nice.

genisys starts with a potentially interesting premise and then proceeds to make the worst imaginable story decisions at every turn - that little glimpse of hope in the first ten minutes or so makes the remaining two hours feel so much worse

otm. it's my vote here bc of how i felt increasingly insulted over the course of two hours

all final frontier haters:

http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/mpb/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/good_trekv_04.jpg

how about anything w/ that massive bore Captain Picard?

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, November 10, 2017 5:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm with morbs here, the mediocre-to-shitty tng movies are significantly worse than final frontier to me, which at least has stupid shit happening constantly

final frontier also has that excellent scene where sybock breaks down the mental barriers of the whole crew

so many choices.

Went for the Die Hard disaster, because I enjoyed all the previous ones (yes I liked the fourth one)

First Contact > Generations > Final Frontier > Nemesis > Insurrection

Also Attack of the Clones is good and you are all crazy.

breathtaking switch from otm to v def notm from phil d's last two posts there

otm

though tbh basically everything below 'first contact' in that list is equally bad in a slightly different way. final frontier and insurrection maybe the most similar, for feeling really cheap and lazy and flat and boring.

Phantom Menace is worse than Clones is worse than not bothering to see Sith.

though tbh basically everything below 'first contact' in that list is equally bad in a slightly different way. final frontier and insurrection maybe the most similar, for feeling really cheap and lazy and flat and boring.

one kinda unique thing about the pre-reboot trek movies, variable in quality though they undoubtedly are, is that no matter how shitty they might be it's still at least a little bit fun to check in with the cast and see what their characters have been up to

that being said, i'd chew glass before watching insurrection again

as before i suspect the worst is probably one i haven't seen, like the die hard or terminator ones (whose trailer just bummed me out endlessly, given how much i love the first one). or probably Saw V (I've only seen long portions of Saw III and they really really bothered me). or the animated ones, whose whole series are really ugly and dreary from what i've seen and god knows how bereft they would be by the fifth installments.

wikipedia can't make up its mind about the pink panther numbering btw. some seem to think this isn't "really" the fifth one since Inspector Clouseau (1968) is missing all the major players. by this count, #5 is revenge of the pink panther and #6 is trail of the pink panther which is built around flashbacks of things peter sellers did in older films, since he was dead. that sounds like a real winner.

those that i've seen:

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: serviceable, might accept case that it's the weakest in the series but these are all at least pretty good. main problems are inherited from the book, with the central plot driven, irritatingly, by harry's refusal to take anti-mind-control class seriously. fred & george vs. umbridge was fun IIRC.

Muppet Treasure Island: pleasant as noted upthread.

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales: cannot imagine watching any more of these after #3. somewhere on the Blank Check podcast, david sims cracked me up by observing the mentality apparently driving these sequels: "because that's what people like about the first one, right? a bunch of pirates turning into things? ... they're always sailing off to the goddamned indian ocean and turning into barnacles or something!" the prospect of bardem and depp trying to out-ham each other fills me with dread.

Prometheus: horrendously dumb and insulting but with occasionally beautiful visuals. the opening scenes with fassbender permit one the possibility of imagining something much more interesting. on the other hand all the goals and content of the plot are infuriating.

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: dreary, tedious, characters are morons, effects look like hell. i admit that as a kid i felt some sense of drama and suspense when they arrived on the planet where they're expecting to find God. but this is easily in the bottom 2-3 of the entire series.

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones: worse than Phantom Menace, nearly unwatchably ugly and tone-deaf. but almost worth it for the lols over the years. it was cool seeing christopher lee even if his character sucked.

Superman Returns: in hindsight i appreciate the desire to maintain and update the christopher reeve take, versus what they've chosen to do since. a small number of scenes work, and the airplane save is one of the best superhero scenes of the decade and genuinely got me excited and goosebumpy for that good old superman feeling. otherwise though a slowwwwww and wince-inducing failure.

You Only Live Twice: racist, too long, boring. only memorable (and not awful) thing is ken adam's design for the evil headquarters, which is possibly his masterpiece.

X-Men: First Class: this was fun IMHO despite some cheaping-out on the forgettable evil mutants and the terrible handling of Emma Frost, a fantastic character who could have become a series icon if written intelligently. the period setting and fanservice/prequelly stuff was
generally cute rather than annoying (except "I was wrong, you're not a nerd... you're a BEAST!!" or whatever). central performances are great. fassbender should be in every fifth movie in a series.

voting star trek. clones is probably objectively worse but i only had myself to blame for going back to the theater after the first one.

the only ones of these I've seen are:

Fast Five: where I came in to the series, and better than any of the others I've watched since [part of 1, part of 2, all of 3 because a cat was sitting on me, 6 and 7 in the cinema. am off the bus until Lin returns.]

Star Trek V: even as a kid this was weak gruel but Spock's flying boots ruled

You Only Live Twice: some cool set pieces, disappointed kid-me for ditching all the plot and themes of the novel

saw a large bit of Seed Of Chucky on TV once, seemed like it was probably great

btw Doc Casino: Fully Loaded is the SIXTH Herbie film - it's no less of a reboot or remake than the Peyton Reed / Bruce Campbell TV version.

TV and VHS entries don't count towards numbering... otherwise i'd be including all those series that became direct-to-video after the second or third movie.

similarly, ernest's first feature-length adventure was a direct-to-video item titled Dr. Otto and the Riddle of the Gloom Beam which i'd never heard of until preparing these polls and which i am not counting. that series is such a weird throwback anyway, more like a three stooges deal where every time he's working a different job at a different place... no other characters recur AFAIK, there's never any reference to previous events, it's just, hey, ernest is in this new situation! i haven't seen any of Tyler Perry's movies but i get the sense they may be keeping this tradition alive in the 21st century, with Madea just popping up to deal with these different situations.

i did skim the herbie: fully loaded wikipedia entry and it seemed like it was meant to take place within the existing herbie continuity...? the connections are vague enough that i'm sure it doesn't really play like a 'sequel,' but it's not like they tell a new origin story for the magical car, and it's explicitly arriving from some previous series of adventures:

Herbie, a Volkswagen Beetle, is towed to a junkyard after losing several races, and Ray Sr. takes Maggie to the junkyard to buy her a car as a college graduation present. After Maggie selects Herbie, she finds an anonymous note in Herbie's glove box, possibly written by Herbie's old owner Hank Cooper (from the 1997 film The Love Bug) or Jim Douglas (Herbie's original owner from The Love Bug and Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo) which reads: "Please take care of Herbie. Whatever your problem, he'll help you find the answer".

(from the 1997 film The Love Bug)

^ by your own petard

hahaha but that's just some wiki editor! i don't have to use their same criteria!

I voted Terminator Genisys because at least the other movies at least try to have a plot.

at least

Would like to hear more about sic's cat-scale of movie rating

re: Die Hard discussion above, the production history of the third one is kind of hilarious

Like most of the films in the series, the premise of this film was repurposed from a stand-alone project. Various scripts were written for Die Hard 3; a number of them were ultimately rejected by Bruce Willis on the grounds that a number of them felt like retreads of the action movies that came in the wake of the first film.[3] One script, originally titled Troubleshooter, had McClane fighting terrorists on a Caribbean cruise line, but was rejected for being too similar to Under Siege.[4] Troubleshooter was later repurposed for Speed 2: Cruise Control.[3]

The script ultimately used was intended for a film entitled Simon Says, originally positioned as a Brandon Lee vehicle, and the character of Zeus was written with an actress in mind. Warner Bros. bought the script and rewrote it as a Lethal Weapon sequel. Warners later put the script in turnaround, only to be purchased by Fox and rewritten as a Die Hard film.[3]

god that explains so much

only memorable (and not awful) thing is ken adam's design for the evil headquarters, which is possibly his masterpiece.

Amazing theme song/score as well, c'mon.

also Donald Pleasence is the best Blofeld

I forgot both of those but yes - agreed on both counts. Still would rather watch any other Connery Bond, assuming I'm allowed to fall asleep during Thunderball.

pleasence is the best blofeld, regardless it takes 100 years to get to his scenes

Still would rather watch any other Connery Bondp

It's better than Diamonds Are Forever, surely?

I kinda like that one's low-rent weirdness... Bond in a completely ordinary, low-speed car chase in Vegas, stuck getting in and out of parking lots... driving around in dune buggies, escaping from tunnels etc. Good use of a John Lautner house with the campy Bambi and Thumper stuff, nice bit at the beginning when he shows up at Jill St. John's place in Amsterdam... I dunno, there's more stuff I like. OTOH you trade racism for homophobia so on the whole I'd say dud.

Yeah, the death of the gay couple at the end as a button is pretty reprehensible, villains tho they are.

Then again, a ton of things about the series in general are pretty reprehensible. I'm fine never revisiting the Bond universe again tbh.

i had a lot of fun going through the whole series recently but it is.... mostly not very good

Thing about bond is that it's treated like blockbuster/classic/quality stuff when the only way to enjoy it is by treating it as cult/niche/bargain bin trash or as a guilty pleasure.

There isn't four good movies in the job lot otherwise

Assuming the one vote for Seed of Chucky was a misunderstanding of the poll topic.

at first I thought this was the Die Hard with my boy Olyphant in it and I was briefly incensed

http://www.benji.com/JoeCamp/ImagesJoe/B&Me-web.jpg

a friend of mine is reading this as research for a "you must remember this" style podcast on Benji. can't wait to hear the real dirt on the troubled shoot for benji: off the leash!

Benji was a total coked-out diva on the set, iirc.

"Oh, Heavenly Dog!" or get out.

omg it got its own thread: Benji: Off the Leash!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooW_RbfdWI

this is shaping up to look like it coulda been a contender imo

more stuff that was in the crazy sayles script iirc

based on reviews, JURASSIC WORLD: FALLEN KINGDOM seems as if it could either have been a contender in this thread, or a classic case of "the previous one was so bad that nobody even cared that this was worse"

Wow, I figured improving on the last one would've been the easiest thing in the (movie-related) world. Guess trying is still hard.

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