brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Gove by dint of heroically saving the Bees from extinction and not been caught molesting anyone yet, is suddenly a contender again?

Brentford or Barnet?

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That sounds like a bad situation, gl to the fellow. Turn2Us.org might be worth a try.

Brentford really do need saving, they are going a leave a ground with a pub on each corner for a soulless modern stadium!

Everything is so punitive + designed to make the applicant fail with PIP, that's the secret of it's *success*, alas.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/10/pip-disability-benefit-almost-killed-my-wife-personal-independence-payment

talking of which...

An ongoing national disgrace but no-one cares.

people like Chakrabortty + Dr F Ryan have been consistently good on attacking PIP, but no-one really gives a fuck. The former was good on QT last night, unlike about 95% of the commentariat, he is self-effacing, likeable + seems like a real human being!

Cheers for the link calz

He got booed for saying that people were dying as a result of this policy - booed. Admittedly QT audiences are now stuffed full of local party activists trying to get their mugs on TV.

classy QT audience as ever.

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http://www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/sickness-and-disability-benefits?term=PIP
might be worth a try as well, and sometimes you might pick up some tip just mining messageboards for other peoples experiences with PIP, although that can be a bit depressing.

hasnt govey actually been doing decent stuff at environment? by which I mean nicking labour policies and avoiding his usual creative destruction nonsense

By all accounts he wasn't a terrible justice minister either but that's about his level, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere that allows him to grandstand and/or drive through one of his obviously demented pet projects (eg education).

By all accounts he wasn't a terrible justice minister either

Especially in comparison to Grayling

"all schools to be converted to academies", remember that one? jesus christ. literally gifting thousands of acres of public schools, and the land they sit on, to private ed consortia. literally giving our schools away. the proposal died in ignominy but these people are completed fucked in the head.

+1 to Calzino's links and advice - trawl benefits forums.
Also, Citizen's Advice should be v clear on the basics:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/
You could also try talking to them if you get a chance.

wheeeeeee

Latest Westminster voting intention (fieldwork 7-8 Nov)
Con 40%
Lab 43%
Lib Dem 6%
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the thought that 40% of voters can look at the never-ending firehose of raw sewage that is this government and agree that they deserve re-election is... troubling

Gove by dint of heroically saving the Bees from extinction and not been caught molesting anyone yet, is suddenly a contender again?

― calzino, Friday, November 10, 2017 9:59 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Strong and Stable Gove.

Xp to a hoy hoy

See if he can take a friend or support worker with him, into the actual assessment itself. Can also request to record assessment too (on phone etc) and assessor needs to give a “valid reason” (?!) to refuse this.

Also not to undersell what he can/cannot do or struggles with, day-to-day, inc how he gets around the impact his health has on his basic daily living/mobility (which ppl can often take for granted and ignore/not fully objectively appreciate when they have longstanding health issues, from my experience helping ppl with PIP & ESA claims..)

Not checked the above links yet but they may likely contain similar/better comments and advice. Have a hunt online for the “Descriptors” the DWP use as well to award points in PIP assessments, as a guide, if you’ve not already got these....

the thought that 40% of voters can look at the never-ending firehose of raw sewage that is this government and agree that they deserve re-election is... troubling

I want to see polls that break this down by Brexit intention. I'm pretty certain the "oh god just hold our noses until we are free and all is finally well with this godforsaken land I used to know" crew is propping up the Tory vote in a big way

yeah, probably - altho again i find it hard to understand how even the most ardent leaver can have faith that this shower of morons and cowards are actually capable of delivering a brexit that doesn't get the country pulped

They don't care about the country being pulped, they just want these Muslims out their freedom.

If the Lib Dems weren't so shite, they'd be taking votes from the Tories.

the lib dems disbanded a few months ago didn't they?

pretty sure i'm remembering that correctly

can't remember the last time i saw vince kibble tbh

rebranded themselves as The Radical Party iirc

big man vince and the roots radics

a lib-do-dem, a lib-do-dem dem dem

As far as PiP goes, I was lucky that there was a local-ish man who used to work for them and now volunteers helping people through it. Very busy, very good guy. But then a friend of mine just got it in a tribunal after six months of refusal, and she's much sicker than me; she spent five year from 17 to 23 in institutions, but apparently she's fit to work a year later despite her GP and psych misgivings. It's so up in the air, and dependent on personality and likeable was (not me, but folks helping me). Which is the key, I think - having good advocates.

Should be 'likeability'

Yep, the advocate my partner had from the CAB was a complete piece of garbage and almost like a bystander for much of the appeal hearing. And then just coldly said: You've lost, taxi is coming in 5 mins - so go wait outside.

I've still never heard a justification for this system. It's nonsense in common sense, medical, and political terms. I know what the Tories are wanting to do - cut money - but I have no idea how them make that presentable.

Half of the community I'm part with is military, and right wing - but none of them defend this.

Most people try and dismiss the post ATOS assessment dead disabled people as hyperbole or as on last night's QT where the Tory voter is naming Chakraborty as "the Donald Trump of the Guardian" for mentioning them.

Even some liberal types are a bit: This talk of dead disabled people isn't quite helpful.

They would probably have died anyway.

Yeah - it's just the lack of affirmative support that's interesting. I've heard people downplay it, or 'what are you going to do?' it.

I don't think people want to hear about it or think about it, even now that they've begun to realize austerity hasn't worked.

The statistics are damning enough, but individual accounts of the some of the deaths are truly horrifying. I suppose that may be a bit "awkward" for some people.

"all schools to be converted to academies", remember that one? ... the proposal died in ignominy

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand)

it's still the aspiration!

If you’re determined to point to rising penury, and can find no other data to sustain your hunch, you’ll jab at whatever you can. “Food bank use is at record levels!”. Yes. So is smartphone use, and for the same reason: neither existed 20 years ago. Innovation spreads.

Brain genius Dan Hannan.

Indeed, and he's virtually considered an intellectual in the modern Conservative Party.

He also likes to get irrationally angry about the continued existence + popularity of the NHS, and blames it on "hardline leftist brainwashing". He'd send a T-800 terminator back to the 40's if he could, to kill the NHS - Not Hitler!

Many xposts. I usually lurk but I'm hoping this is useful for you a hoy hoy http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/personal-independence-payment-assessment

heh

Second edition @EveningStandard: senior sources in Government have told our @JoeMurphyLondon today that Boris’s job is now “on the line” pic.twitter.com/6WL8CMkWOr

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) November 10, 2017

Oh so Gidzy isn't just addressing headlines directly to his own Mum at this point.

that dan hannan comment sv posted is giving me a migraine

more and more people are turning to the convenience and variety of food banks

If foodbanks can be "uplifting" + "innovative", maybe we need to start re-branding homeless people as "transient pioneer pathfinders" or something.