Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

I thought that of course the 'I want to defect' bit would turn out to be a ruse, for it to be genuine I didn't see coming.

I'm not convinced she really wants to defect! She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.

Didn't like the last episode - too much too fast, all three plots needed more room IMO.

She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.

if she really wanted to defect, she could have just gone with lorca/ash rather than take a phaser disruptor to the face

she's also much smarter than every other klingon, it would seem. which is more evidence that ash is a time bomb -- letting lorca/ash get away was uncharacteristically half-assed of her

So am I right in thinking that Stamets is actually exchanging places with himself from a parallel ('mirror', if you will) universe/dimension, in which case the spores are not only a method for instantaneous travel but may also be a method of traversing universes - implying that each jump is actually a jump to a different physical point in a different but very similar universe? That seems to be where we're going but if we are it feels too much like a retread of the 2009 film which justified itself as a reboot by starting over in a fresh timeline

some sort of *engineer voice* organic quantum folding going on here

My timecubes, let me show you them

i think it's a retcon for the genetic engineering ban -- suggesting that the engineering is a form of time/dimension travel.

This is post-Khan being out on ice and the admiral did call them out to doing a banned eugenics experiment

Mid-season finale *sigh* tonight; series resumes Jan. 7.

So am I right in thinking that Stamets is actually exchanging places with himself from a parallel ('mirror', if you will) universe/dimension, in which case the spores are not only a method for instantaneous travel but may also be a method of traversing universes - implying that each jump is actually a jump to a different physical point in a different but very similar universe? That seems to be where we're going but if we are it feels too much like a retread of the 2009 film which justified itself as a reboot by starting over in a fresh timeline

Intriguing!

Pretty clear that A=V is correct from tonight's episode. Not only in L'Rell's words but also in the tech of the humans being able to mask as Klingons.

Next up, mirror universe arc where they wear VERY shirts.

I didn't think about it, but they're going to be in the universe where Michael's preemptive strike plan went into effect, aren't they?

Oh good call, circling back to roads-not-taken plot points from earlier episodes, I hadn't thought of that

This and the Mudd-loop episode is making me wonder just how mindfuck they want to get with the show. If they reveal bf to be a surgically-altered and brainwashed Klingon this whole ride is going to turn into a serious acid trip

Who am I kidding, the torture-sex scenes have already sent it over the edge

It would be wild if - assuming they could ever get back to 'their' universe - Discovery instead of a weapon-to-end-wars became the ultimate research vessel, collecting information on how things turn out elsewhere given certain choices. They'd have to rename the ship the A/B Discovery or the USS Choice Architecture

Now I'm really wondering why they call the Prime Directive "General Order 1".

That's what they called it in TOS, IIRC.

if tilly is going to be working on starfleet's most important system, she really needs a promotion

even wesley got acting ensign

definitely going to get a “Tilly steps up” plot in here somewhere, where she steps up in some dire circumstance and her awkwardness is cast off

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Memory Alpha says "General Order 1" is actually from The Animated Series - nice.

They’ve made other refs to the Animated series, too

Fun episode with one genuine shock (although as they're now in an alternate universe I imagine it will be fairly easy to bring him back)

I'm enjoyjng this but a Michael is getting a little boring.

The "shock" was interesting - I would've thought the writers were smarter than that trope, so I'm guessing that's not the end of that story.

I think I should have seen it coming when the episode had me thinking, "Wow, this character is maybe the most empathetic character we've seen in this role on Star Trek, what a great guy"

I should have guessed, all spontaneous declarations of love for a partner must be followed by death.

It's a little unnerving to see out of all the spinoffs, Enterprise is the one that is being mined for the most material to weave canon out of. Maybe we'll get to see evil Porthos cameo.

Ashhole amirite?

It's a little unnerving to see out of all the spinoffs, Enterprise is the one that is being mined for the most material to weave canon out of. Maybe we'll get to see evil Porthos cameo.

Maybe WE'RE the ones in the mirror universe.

no midriff mirror universe uniforms yet so may it’s changed over there

It's nice to see Frakes directed this, IMHO his is the first Trek name to have been associated with a good series.

Oops, forgot Nick Meyer.

he went a little overboard on the camera-circling-everyone thing

The camera NEVER STOPPED

Static locked down shots don’t exist anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHbLewg79c

I know the agony booths were in TOS, but the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK. File it with the most painful way to suicide bomb, the most painful possible gun disintegration, and the warp engine booth that tortures the occupant.

Similar to a comment made in the RLM vid on Abrams’ approach to the ‘09 reboot. Everything must be HYPERCHARGED.

I’m curious how a TOS/Constitution-class ship looks rendered in the particular art direction of this show, esp with the lighting.

Here’s what it looked like 15 years ago:

http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/pictures/2010-04-23_Defiant.jpg

the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK

Yeah, you'd think that the show would've outgrown its Oedipal impulses by now, but maybe they feel that a midseason premiere required them to reassert the GRIMDARK.

Similar to a comment made in the RLM vid on Abrams’ approach to the ‘09 reboot. Everything must be HYPERCHARGED.

I think with JJ, he may have been overcompensating because he wasn't that familiar with Trek prior to getting the franchise.

Next step in L'Rell's master plan: get Burnham's answers to her security questions.

some viewers were upset that the asian captain gets killed/the black woman gets court martialed/the female admiral gets tortured/the gay guy gets killed*/etc., so it seems only fair that the white guy gets a little agony booth

he does have the pre-existing messed up vision. definitely a problem in the terran empire, where insurance is absolutely brutal

I’m curious how a TOS/Constitution-class ship looks rendered in the particular art direction of this show, esp with the lighting.

maybe aztec'd like this:
http://deg3d.biz/posts/deg3D_NCC-1701_112.jpg

and lit like this:
http://deg3d.biz/desktops_art_SOMS.html

whoops:
http://deg3d.biz/images/deg3D_TOS.5_E_SOMS_1956.jpg

There was a 3d wireframe of one on the show this week that had a kink in the engine struts, but otherwise looked similar.

https://imgur.com/a/zc0K1

guh

https://i.imgur.com/jKQCGnV.jpg

Yeah, thats what made me think of it. Every other ship in the show is “darkshiney” as it were, so I’m wondering what they’ll do to the usual battleship grey exterior

So I guess everyone who predicted the Ash thing was right eh?

(awesome episode btw)

Sarek was right there! How could have scanned the dude after he freaked out!