Would you ever order a margherita pizza?

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xps pizza pie sounds good off the tongue so i'm all for it (even though it's not a pie obviously)

nxd, Thursday, 9 November 2017 10:14 (six years ago) link

unless it can be served with either brown gravy or custard, it's not pie

Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:00 (six years ago) link

funny you should say that

imago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:01 (six years ago) link

luv2serve a steak and ale pie with custard

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:09 (six years ago) link

wait wait. so it isn't "When the moon hits your eye like a big piece of pie"????

thomasintrouble, Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:29 (six years ago) link

Italian Easter Pie (Pizza Gain, a.k.a. Pizza Rustica)

http://d3cizcpymoenau.cloudfront.net/images/20408/SFS_ItalianEasterPie_V2-23.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:24 (six years ago) link

Also, pizza,

from Italian pizza, originally "cake, tart, pie," of uncertain origin

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link

Largely, though, most Americans at that time had never heard of pizza. "If someone suggests a 'pizza pie' after the theater, don't think it is going to be a wedge of apple," wrote New York Herald Tribune food columnist Clementine Paddleford in 1939. "It is going to be the surprise of your life,... a nice stunt to surprise the visiting relatives, who will be heading East soon for the World's Fair. They come to be surprised, and pizza, pronounced 'peet-za,' will do the job brown."

Lots of great stuff here, I'm learning a lot!

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/263732/where-does-pizza-pie-originate

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:30 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0eGUQWENMc

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link

josh i have gone through the etymology of this already! any rolled out dough is basically the same word: pizza, pasta, pita, pastry etc

don't know if "pie" quite makes the cut here tho

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link

Well, I did learn that it is largely an American thing, and that it (pizza or pizza pie) doesn't really enter the English vernacular until the 20th century, possibly a mishearing of "pizzapaia." As someone pointed out in that link, "The paia is the sound an Italian (maybe even Neapolitan or Sicilian) would reproduce seeing the letters in pie, those who were literate."

Anyway, pizza is not a pie. But I like all the etymological connections anyway.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:04 (six years ago) link

in another, more accurate sense, there is nothing that is not a pie

mark s, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link

Calzone = pizza pie pie

nashwan, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link

Well, I did learn that it is largely an American thing, and that it (pizza or pizza pie) doesn't really enter the English vernacular until the 20th century, possibly a mishearing of "pizzapaia." As someone pointed out in that link, "The paia is the sound an Italian (maybe even Neapolitan or Sicilian) would reproduce seeing the letters in pie, those who were literate."

Isn't that a circular reference? 'Pie gets used because of pizzapaia which comes about from Sicilians trying to say pie after they saw it written down about pizza'.

How about this for a cobbled together etymology? Almost all Italian American immigration is from the 'Two Sicilies' - effectively Naples and Sicily. When the round, Neapolitan, shape started to take hold and define what pizza was, the rectangular, Sicilian shape tried to claim it was just as good - literally 'pizza paia', or pizza equal. This became 'pie' in English to differentiate between the shapes and over the intervening years got (mistakenly) applied to both kinds. Sounds as plausible as anything else.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link

I don't know if it's circular so much as redundant, which sounds like just the sort of thing Americans at the turn of the century would do with this exotic Italian import.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:37 (six years ago) link

pizza is pasta, is the point i was trying to make

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link

controversial, but I like where you're going with this

mh, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link

No need to bring the spaghetti pie into this
https://www.aspicyperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/baked-spaghetti-pie-recipe-23.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link

I am now wondering what a pepperoni pie would be like

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link

you mean a peperoni in the shape of a pie, to scale?

brimstead, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link

Ordered a personal size margherita pizza and a personal size garden pizza (spinach, broccoli, mushrooms, black olives), and split each with my wife, for lunch today.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link

AND?????

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 November 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link

HE SPILLED HIS GUTS ALL OVER THE STAAAAGE

imago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link

my mom just requested a taco pizza from the Godfather’s pizza chain, but her dad just died so I am not questioning anything

mh, Saturday, 11 November 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link

listen to your mother

j., Sunday, 12 November 2017 02:15 (six years ago) link

yes, and condolences to you both

estela, Sunday, 12 November 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link

it was a good pizza experience

mh, Sunday, 12 November 2017 02:34 (six years ago) link

have you ever masturbated in front of a margherita pizza

assawoman bay (harbl), Sunday, 12 November 2017 02:36 (six years ago) link

a marg pizza is a symbol of restraint unless it’s especially savory or decadent. perhaps in Italy a prime example or, if you live a life of decadence.. these things could happen

mh, Sunday, 12 November 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link

I ordered a pulled pork bbq pizza tonight and mentally flipped double birds at this thread as i did it

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 November 2017 04:33 (six years ago) link

never knew there were people who thought margerita pizza wasnt a thing

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link


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