lol i'm sposed to know every politics writer on the interwebz OOOH GOTCHA GOTCHA
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
greenwald can gtfo until he stops being a useful idiot for tucker carlson.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
In NYC, ran into @donnabrazile and talked about her book. Even though our political views are polar opposite, we had a great conversation. Complimented her on her courage to out the DNC and #CrookedHillary. Say what you want, more Dems should tell the truth. pic.twitter.com/IBzP6Ma9jR— David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) November 8, 2017
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link
Damn
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 November 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link
clarke's hats are getting worse
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 November 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link
love those photoshops where people make his hat gigantic and seat partway down his face
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 9 November 2017 04:48 (six years ago) link
lol
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/resort-tycoon-says-hes-ordered-dem-leaders-to-adopt-pro-billionaire-platform-911c92a6116b
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
In the past few weeks, I've visited with three amazing women running as first-time candidates for Congress in largely rural districts. I have things to say about the Democratic Party— Pinboard (@Pinboard) November 10, 2017
― j., Friday, 10 November 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
I mean it never fails pic.twitter.com/ZUdzgCLuGO— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 11, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
The trick is to move further left on issues that are broadly popular and not emphasize the issues that only appeal to a tiny niche. You can deal with the niche issues once you are in office and no one in the broad public will notice or care, while those in the tiny niche will be made happy and remember the favor.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
That is way too sensible
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
outside of finance, there is no profession where people who have never won anything get to scold others on how to win more than dem political "strategist"— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 11, 2017
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Sunday, 12 November 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
Related to that Molly Ball article I think we linked to upthread about the Third Way group going on safari, she was interviewed about this on Daniel Denvir’s show last week:
https://www.blubrry.com/thedig/28772955/the-hollow-center-with-molly-ball-and-eric-levitz/
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 01:07 (six years ago) link
Democratic Party's elevator pitch to millennials?"Capitalism 2.0." - @MarkWarner"We look like you." - @amyklobuchar#WSJCEOCouncil— Josh Jamerson (@joshjame) November 14, 2017
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
lmao I came here to post that
― Simon H., Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
"Means-testing on fleek.""Endless drone warfare, but gender fluid.""Airbnb for the prison-industrial complex.""Swipe right-to-work."— Andrew Moreturkey (@andrewmochulsky) November 14, 2017
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
The idea of a an "elevator pitch" containing anything of genuine political value is absurd to begin with. It's just "I like Ike" brought into the 21st century.
otoh, that goddamn "Contract with America" that Newt cooked up in 1996 probably did reach a lot of people who liked what it said and voted republican as a result. I sometimes wonder why that concept got booted to the curb in later elections. It had promise as a way to define the party political agenda and its identity, all in ten or so simple bullet points. Probably its because Newt bullied the entire House republican caucus to sign the thing and that feat has been impossible to replicate.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
that joke sucks kingfish
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
Oh I dunno, I think elevator pitches(or slogans in this case) containing inherent, inspirational values are useful.
“Change you can believe in” and “For the many, not the few” both work.
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Possibly, but I liked “Swipe right-to-work”
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
"Hope & Change" and "Make America Great Again" worked pretty well
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
If by working pretty well, you mean they created an emotional attraction on the art of some voters toward the candidate, I guess that could be seen as having 'political value'. But the sort of value I had in mind was more in terms of indicating the policies the candidate or party would pursue.
As far as setting policy direction, Hope & Change could just as easily apply to Trump starting a war with North Korea. It's a change. And we'd all be hoping like mad once it started. Making America Great Again could as easily promote returning to the income tax rates of 1960.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
The manifesto thingy worked pretty well for Labour across the pond, but I guess over here nobody gives a shit about party platforms
― bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
How Education Reform Ate the Democratic Party
"So now, as America ponders the mounting economic disequlibriums that gave rise to the Trump insurgency, concerned plutocrats can all agree on one key article of faith: what is holding back the poor and minority children who figure so prominently in the glossy brochures of charter school advocates is not the legacy of racist housing policy or mass incarceration or a tax system that hoovers up an ever growing share of income into the pockets of the wealthy, but schoolteachers and their unions....
"The Clintons were early adopters; tough talk against Arkansas’ teachers, then among the poorest paid in the country, was a centerpiece of Bill’s second stint as Governor of Arkansas. As Hillary biographer Carl Bernstein recounts, the Arkansas State Teachers Association became the villain that cemented the couple’s hold on the Governor’s mansion—the center of their Dick Morris-inspired “permanent campaign.” The civil rights language in which the Democratic anti-union brigade cloaks itself today was then nowhere to be heard, however. And little wonder: Civil rights groups fiercely opposed the most controversial feature of the Clintons’ reform agenda—competency tests for teachers—on the grounds that Black teachers, many of whom had attended financially starved Black colleges, would disproportionately bear their brunt."
https://thebaffler.com/latest/ed-reform-ate-the-democrats-berkshire
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
thanks, Ted!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
Democrats in Congress aren't expected to live up to the party platform so potential Democratic voters don't give a shit about it.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
Scaling back superdelegates... somewhere, gabbneb weeps.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/dnc-unity-reform-commission-takes-a-whack-at-superdelegates/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 December 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
i'll take it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 11 December 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
having the remaining ones vote according to the results in their state
this does amount to effective abolition which i am p satisfied about tbh
ie no superdelegates for Andy Cuomo, who will draw about 8 voters in 5 primaries
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 December 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
This tweet tonight boils things down nicely
It is interesting going back to 2008 that the party out of power gets its đź’© together while the governing party foolishly thinks they’ve won the country for eternity.— Andrew Snell (@jAndrewSnell) December 13, 2017
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
It's not so much either party getting its shit together as a lot of the people on the bottom who keep jumping around, looking for politicians who'll deliver them some tangible benefits, but they keep getting played.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:24 (six years ago) link
They really *haven't* gotten their shit together, though. They got lucky. xp
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:25 (six years ago) link
Lucky counts
― .oO (silby), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:31 (six years ago) link
Of course it does, but don't bank on every opponent turning out to be a pedophile.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:33 (six years ago) link
The party dragging its feet is only half the story, though. From a Tuscaloosa volunteer earlier today:
yeah the grassroots effort for jones has been... very grassroots. tuscaloosa is one of the biggest efforts in alabama and we only had one paid campaign operative running a group that ranged from a couple of people to over 100 from night to night. a lot of people have had to create their own volunteering opportunities and many people have been taking time off work to make this happen. no matter what happens tonight, we're looking at this as a huge occasion where we built infrastructure and established networks of communication for future elections. we weren't supposed to even be a blip on the radar, but it's election day and polls are effectively at a dead heat.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:34 (six years ago) link
Informal movement/volunteer infrastructure that'll makes itself available for party efforts are worth their weight in gold
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:36 (six years ago) link
Who was running those efforts?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:38 (six years ago) link
Seems like a mix of Indivisible chapters & other little orgs making do with what they could get
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:44 (six years ago) link
That rules, well played all involved.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:47 (six years ago) link
this also applies to the last presidential election but thanks for the input
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the 2018 battlegrounds won't be as deep red as Alabama
― Cat Person (Putting Out Fire) (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 05:20 (six years ago) link
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/grandparents-raiding-grandchildren/548117/
Our entitlement system was designed to fund current generations out of the taxes of younger and future generations (while pretending not to). This intergenerational compact not only made sense, but also worked, when working Americans were largely in far better financial shape than senior citizens, and population growth and economic progress went more or less hand-in-hand in steady progression. But not only is the elderly poverty rate no longer 50 percent but, rather, now 10 percent: The wealthiest, highest-income age cohort also is now those Boomers nearing retirement. The second wealthiest? Those already in retirement.Who’s not doing well in the current economy? Younger Americans.
Who’s not doing well in the current economy? Younger Americans.
― j., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 08:57 (six years ago) link
Reverse Social Security via 100% estate tax over $2mn.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 09:06 (six years ago) link
Remove the income ceiling on Social Security, maybe?
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
er......... the elderly poverty rate is no longer 50 percent BECAUSE of social security.... right?
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
That’s not how Social Security works
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
the way it should work is every american gets it, birth to the earth, and generational dynasties are taxed to cover it
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
McElwee's piece here last week was good:
https://theoutline.com/post/2568/the-democratic-party-is-fine
The future of the party belongs to these candidates — ones who understand that justice is about paychecks and clean water and can mobilize youth without pandering. But the core questions at the heart of the party have been answered. No credible pundit would argue that the future of the party is bloodless centrism, and the primaries across the country reflect that. The Democrats have work to do, and have scars left over from the 2016 primary. But the party is increasingly united on the values of racial justice, immigration, gender equity, non-discrimination, universal health care and antitrust policy. It is the most united American party in modern political history.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
are dems in agreement about immigration? what's the agreement?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link