OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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Still thinking about that NYT Mag piece. I got breakfast at the diner this morning and they played Eurhythmics, Lady Gaga, Heart, Rihanna, Ace of Base, Kim Wide and Katy Perry.

Of course I sat shivering and confused, these songs hitting me like Esperanto.

Finally a song with a man's voice came on. I stood on the table, kicked all the food off and screamed all the words like a normal person

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link

anecdotal experience truther up in here

President Keyes, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link

Have a hoagie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link

there are no commercial stations in the entire country that would play that many female-led songs in a row

dyl, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link

I think it was 106.7 Lite FM, but keep trying!

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link

There was two songs from men in there too iirc

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:17 (six years ago) link

Both of which I saluted like a flag

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:17 (six years ago) link

Of course bodega hoagie radio is just Mentors, Meatmen, XXXManik and the Eminem songs about killing his ex-wife

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 November 2017 00:19 (six years ago) link

Looking like a lab experiment for Eurocentric beauty, toting a bank account full of platinum records and a panoply of celebrity friends, if Swift couldn’t seem to find love, and she wrote about this problem often, rooting for Taylor Swift the Cultural Question to find happiness was a bit like rooting for the house in blackjack.

Frozen CD, Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link

"And how many celebrity friends would you like from your account today Ms Swift"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 13 November 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link

"Taylor Swift the Cultural Question" clap clap clap.. "Taylor Swift the Cultural Question" clap clap clap..

Mark G, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link

idk I like that sentence

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link

yeah it's a bit overstuffed but I prefer that to bland

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link

Bloody Nora, the radio guy just mentioned Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale 'Der er forskel' to express the difference in quality between these two teams. This isn't supposed to be educational ffs

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link

sry rong thraed

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link

bump

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

How do I express my hatred of this shit without going on some "I'm not like the other gays" tangent: https://www.billboard.com/articles/events/year-in-music-2017/8070980/best-gay-anthems-2017-songs-halsey-rupaul

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link

Charli knows what The Gays™ want

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link

Re: that Riton song - how does a house song w/ a choir and MNEK manage to sound rote, guess I answered my own question

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link

https://www.xlr8r.com/reviews/2017/12/nabihah-iqbal-weighing-of-the-heart/

The promo information said one of the important elements of retiring the Throwing Shade name in favor of her birth name is to promote her Asian heritage. Good. But what’s interesting about her mixed ethnic heritage and education and experience is that the music to my ears sounds very "white." The subject matter colorless. I don’t sense the Asian-British experience we’re usually given. In an interview with i-D when asked to name a memorable song from her childhood, she said "something by Oasis." Now what’s beautiful about that is it’s unexpected and rarer than a white guy referencing a minority’s culture.

Excellent foot in mouth situation courtesy of Anton Lang reviewing my album for @XLR8R. The reason why I've chosen to use my birth name is to breakdown racial prejudices such as this. Sorry if you think I shouldn't be able to make guitar music because I'm not white. pic.twitter.com/TS7Fve1VSj

— Nabihah Iqbal (@nabihahiqbal) December 21, 2017

maura, Friday, 22 December 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link

But he's not saying she shouldn't be able to make guitar music because she's not white - he's saying he had higher expectations of her (based on an awareness of her prior work) than bland indie. If that's prejudice, OK then.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 22 December 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link

it absolutely is. if he'd listened to it blindfolded would he have said the same thing? come on. also, his pulling out of a chance to chat with her about this on the radio speaks volumes.

maura, Friday, 22 December 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link

wow that is like a vortex of awful ideas and awful writing

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 22 December 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link

not gonna get capt-save-a-weingarten here, but I mean I do think there IS a viable defense for music snobbery, especially when sites are out here running in-defense-of-normies articles like this

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/people-in-their-thirties-cant-stop-hoarding-cds?utm_term=.fkNJmLD8d#.rdearp9wG

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/06/i-love-my-five-dollar-headphones-and-i-bet-you-will-too.html

or this intro from the Vinyl Me, Please guide, which, lmao, fucking NO

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaUmBxCjVxo/

...

However, this article is ... not it.

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link

not actually "laughing my fucking ass" off at that, but the NO stands

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link

Also, I still love you, Max, even if I disagree with your article

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link

Not sure Bob Dylan is a "thing no one else followed", even back then

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link

it's the snobbery bit that's ridiculous and boring and doesn't not need expressing in public

not being personally interested in swathes of popular culture is absolutely legit on a personal level, even believing that those swathes are in some definable or objective sense lesser is umremarkable as a personal feeling, sometimes you might make an interesting case in a conversation. getting into it as a public thinkpiece invariably puts you on the side of the idiots tho.

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link

i guess there's a subtle distinction between "snobbery" and "one-upmanship" and that article is really about the latter and the latter is for jerks

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link

I mean also where is he actually encountering this?

No, it's the neo-snobs that have me riled up, those ADHD completists who stream all of the cool stuff and have the gall to flaunt the secret knowledge that was so hard won for us.

Did he get triggered by a /mu/ post or something

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link

signs your article is bad: the “bad guys” in your head have a dsm5 diagnosis

k3vin k., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link

he really pushed the boat out with “snoboisie”
u_u

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link

"Do you know how hard it was to track down a Big Star record in 1982?! All three of the band's albums were long out of print,"

the 1978 PVC pressing of the 3rd album wouldn't have been hard to find in 1982. and they put it out again in 1985 and that pressing was everywhere. 1982 not a bad year to be a fan of almost anything from the 60s and 70s. everything was everywhere.

scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link

i was trying to describe the 90s CD boom to my kid the other day. he didn't know about the gold rush era. people going to Tower and spending a grand on jazz and soul and psych reissues like it was nothing. all of a sudden being able to buy 20 nurse with wound albums in one shot. people went nuts.

scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link

lol, i do remember that time period; watching people go to the counter with ridiculous stacks of cds

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link

in 1982, real snobs just did mail order.

scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link

The vinyl me please guy rhapsodizes about wanting people to spend time with albums that matter meanwhile my buddy gifted me his (arrived in the mail like this) warped Vinyl Me Please copy of Dan deacon's Spiderman of the Rings.

omar little, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

I promised I'd be more charitable in 2018 but I am trying to wrap my mind around fighting The Evil Algorithms by going to major-label artist playlists. (the whole "Spotify can tell me that people who listen to Lorde also listen to other pop songs by young women, but it can’t pick out just the right one the way Lorde herself can" thing is showing up in more and more criticism.)

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/2/16840940/spotify-algorithm-music-discovery-mix-cds-resolution

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link

tech sites' music coverage is terrible

maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link

true but you'd expect them to be better than music sites at not talking about The Algorithms the way you'd talk about Bigfoot

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link

(this is probably one of my biggest pet peeves right now because

a) the word "algorithm" has an actual meaning. like, every time you've done a multiplication problem, you used an algorithm
b) algorithms don't appear from the autonomous mind of skynet or whatever, they are made by people, but it's much easier to blame it all on The Algorithms than to think about why people might make the coding decisions they make and what influences them
c) the existence of an algorithm does not make something automatically bad)

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

Feel like that article could be a short little blurb suggesting people pay attention to how the music presented to them got to be presented to them and put time in to find ways of getting music presented to you in ways that work best for you.

Feel like it's not really doing that but gesturing towards it, but missing looking at how the songs got presented to Lorde in the first place (possibly algorhythmically) and to (take things a cynical step further) assuming that she just chose those cuz she liked them and not for label promotional reasons, etc...

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link

it's almost certainly not Lorde (or anyone else), though, it's a 23-year-old in the office coordinating with other 23-year-olds when Justin Bieber can spontaneously tweet about this great new song he discovered

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link

it's those damn 23 year olds!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link

to be fair sometimes they're as old as 29

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link

don't trust anyone under 30

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link

there's another "ooh spooky algorithms" piece by Rhett Miller in the outline (admittedly it touches on other subjects)

Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link

Didn't see it up there, does it have a bafflingly incongruous title or something?

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link

can't link rn but it's actually in The Baffler, sorry

Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link


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