Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

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This Bendis switching teams thing is actually kind of a big deal! I have to wonder what else he would try to ply out of Marvel at this point

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link

I'm actually a bit surprised that a figure of his prominence has been solely associated w/Marvel for so long. I thought these folks frequently went back and forth...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link

Yeah, this is no small thing. Whether you like his work or not, it's undeniable that the dude has had a huge impact on Marvel over the past decade and a half. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that he's maybe among the top 10-20 most impactful figures in their history.

Bernard Crunderdunder (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link

I got the impression he was in the track to either flip to management/editorial or find another engagement writing elsewhere. There were a few comments on twitter where he was reiterating the company line (buy single issues in comic stores or your faves might not continue or be collected!). Comics-wise, the work he did that shaped company direction is pretty scattershot post-2010 and advising on film work seems like it'd be frustrating as a writer. Everything he's worked on recently is a retread (Civil War II) or something that's been brought back because of tv tie-ins (Jessica Jones, Defenders).

Hopefully they give him something he enjoys at DC

mh, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link

Hope they don't, he's a terrible writer and significantly responsible for the navel-burrowing market restriction of the two big superhero publishers in the 21st century

I'm actually a bit surprised that a figure of his prominence has been solely associated w/Marvel for so long.

He was solely associated with Caliber for most of the 90s, moved his Caliber books to Image when he started being associated with Image, and had Marvel start a mini-imprint for creator-owned books just so that he could bring his Image work over there. Dude obviously prefers having the vast majority of his work under one roof.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link

by "something he enjoys" I mean "some book people who really want Bendis material can read without him getting editorial direction"

mh, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link

Hickman too apparently, non-exclusive.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link

Ok Hickman is great fit, considering he basically writes classic DC stories with Marvel characters

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link

about fucking time this got more attention

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link

DC human resources is shocked, shocked, and will look into these dramatic new revelations immediately

https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-comics-has-suspended-editor-eddie-berganza-amidst-al-1820366602

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link

Better late than never I guess.

FWIW I don't think that Buzzfeed piece is very well-reported. And the page-tear design feels more "fun crime story" than "fire this horrible asshole already".

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:13 (six years ago) link

I read an old JLA annual yesterday, and think I've found history's worst drawing of a leg

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/6/65/Captain_Atom_003.jpg

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link

Maybe shoulders too

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link

Who's the artiste?

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link

I don't think it's Bart Sears but it's definitely an artist from the same 'all muscles must be depicted as simultaneously flexed such that the subject appears to be wracked from head to toe in painfully-gnarled tumors' school.

Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link

Sergio Cariello apparently

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 November 2017 13:06 (six years ago) link

I only had time to flip through it but the art in Doomsday Clock looks pretty good at least.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:30 (six years ago) link

Hey, if it's your thing, basically every Marvel and DC graphic novel or collection ever is on sale on c*m*x*l*g* right now.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link

“Undeplorables”

Geoff Johns, ladies and gentlemen

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

What's he done now?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

Written more comics.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link

(actual answer, made a Trump Trope the president in Doomsday Clock)

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link

Doomsday Clock is somehow worse than I expected and I expected a steaming pile of shit.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link

I'm actually taken aback in how much they're exploiting Watchmen. Didn't think they'd go this far.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link

I for one applaud them for making use of every part of the corpse. I hear they're planning to use its ligaments in the binding of the collected edition and are giving away necklaces of its teeth and small finger bones as retailer exclusives. And I guess they've somehow fashioned a crude latrine out of Alan Moore's writing credit?

Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link

I agree with all the above but I enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link

I flipped thru it in the shop while my son chose to buy "Super Sons." (I had tried to steer him toward another Scooby-Doo Team-Up...)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link

aldo, can you or another helpful soul explain what this goddamn 'Metal' thing is all about? I saw a solicitation for some 'origins of whatever the hell Metal is' trade which includes a couple issues of Final Crisis and I would like to understand without having to actually research it, thx.

Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link

Super Sons is a wonderful book.

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EZ Snappin, Friday, 1 December 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link

Cool, I'm gonna read it with (to) him tonight.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:55 (six years ago) link

I think I have a slight aversion on sight to "cool" preteen boy characters with spiky hair and ripped jeans. But I'm sure I can look past the surface.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Friday, 1 December 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link

As far as I can tell, Metal is just an evil doppelgänger story that's been suffocated inside in mounds of unecessary plotting and multiversal whatnot. The baddie is Barbatos, some some of demon-thing who's spent three decades off-panel in various Peter Milligan and Grant Morrison stories - but he hasn't turned up in Metal yet. Instead of ruining all the parallel earths like in Countdown, Snyder's created a new set of "dark parallel universes" to play action figure armageddon with.

Tonally it's supposed to be a fun cosmic punchy action thing, but Snyder's main book is incoherent with backstory, and the spinoff books are all uberviolent sub-Geoff Johns arm-ripping type things written by shitty DC fill-in crews. It's basically Blackesy Night with parallel universe Batmangs instead of zombies. A crossover, in other words.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 December 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link

Chuck has Metal pretty well summed up - there's a series of alt-Batmans (some with the powers of other heroes, some with the powers of other villains) that have come through into the universe through a doorway opened because Bruce has been trying to find what metal drove the Joker mad (having already established there are metals not from our Universe - like Nth Metal -and deciding it's an unknown one of them) and unknowingly bringing Barbatos into the Rebirthiverse. It isn't any good at all.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link

Super Sons is generally great but the Annual racks it up a notch and is Obe of the top 5 DC books of the year. Tom King's Batman annual (also out last week) might be as good.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link

Tom King's Batman has been a revelation after he slogged through that first arc. The Bane and Catwoman stuff is all A++.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link

Agreed! Liking the Batman run.
I actually enjoy the fake-goth silliness of Metal, I have to admit, though. Hellraiser Batman alone tickles me.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 December 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link

Thanks, guys. Metal sounds about as incoherent/unappealing as I'd expected. So this is the Hyper-Adapter thing that was pursuing Bruce Wayne through time after Darkseid 'killed' him? The name 'Barbatos' in a DC book conjures up a whole other image for me (from John Ney Reiber's Books of Magic series):

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/a/ab/Barbatos_0001.jpeg

Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 December 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link

As a fan of moreoreless everything else Tom King has done, I'm finding his run on Mister Miracle really unenjoyable and gratuitous. There's too much quirk to write it off as a Gritty Reboot, but it seems very alienating and fanboys-only-ish. Anyone else?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link

I love it! Gratuitous in what way?

WilliamC, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link

Everyone keeps getting brained by Barda in an over-lovingly detailed way

Maybe it'll read better in the trade tho'

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link

I would say, I'm finally reading Omega Man and it's fantastic

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link

This is probably the right time to point out that DC removed Rebirth branding from all their books last week.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 15 December 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link

So are their books going to be officially rebranded as Afterbirth or is that just implied?

Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link

As a fan of moreoreless everything else Tom King has done, I'm finding his run on Mister Miracle really unenjoyable and gratuitous. There's too much quirk to write it off as a Gritty Reboot, but it seems very alienating and fanboys-only-ish. Anyone else?

I only read the first issue, but it was hilariously dumb

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link

officially rebranded as Afterbirth

Marvel and DC have both put the old-school rectangle back on their covers, but the design is super-garish in both cases, looks hella naff

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link

I haven't read the latest Miracle but the way I interpreted the book so far is King is trying to get into the headspace of the depressed - I thought he captured the deadening of affect, the disassociation, finally erupting in rage after being pressed beyond endurance really well. I have a hard time reading it because like Ware it cuts a little too deep. I'm sure King picked the character of Free to go into these themes because of his traumatic backstory and the irony of him being an escape artist. I don't think it justifies quite all the hype, because the distance between the superhero fantasy world of empowerment and the dead-inside life of the mentally ill is just too much dissonance and the reader can't connect those two worlds. I'm not really sure who the audience for the book is, but I'm still glad it exists.

Brakhage, Friday, 15 December 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link

the newest one was where it all clicked for me, and all of the themes aligned

mh, Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:30 (six years ago) link


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