I suppose this one was mainly set-up for the next episode? Two things going on, but neither went anywhere interesting.
― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link
i may be an outlier here but i really enjoyed the last two episodes as fun, largely standalone riffs on the TOS/TNG formula.
the klingon scenes are unbelievably silly and incomprehensible and i say that as someone with a high tolerance for 40k style bullshit. so is the starfleet admiral dead now? and the female klingon? what was the point of any of that if so?
― oiocha, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 04:24 (six years ago) link
Complaints aside that last one was probably the best so far. It's not often we see a time loop plot from the outside and it was done pretty well. Mud does seem like a classic TOS villain.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:27 (six years ago) link
Between this and The Orville I feel like I'm enjoying Star Trek for the first time since TOS.
― Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 10:13 (six years ago) link
DISCO has shown it has potential, at least. No longer a hatewatch for me.
― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
I actually really enjoyed the last episode as well! Even the Klingon scenes weren't terrible -- I'm kind of curious what's going to happen to L'Rell.
― Drunk Leeemoda (Leee), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
I am really enjoying this unreservedly now. There are lots of callbacks to TOS, but it doesn't just seem like recycling. I *really* like Saru's race's origin story. The show also strikes a nice balance thus far between episode and serial and although I'd prefer pure episodes as that kind of world offers more possibilities , I know entertainment has changed. One weird thing is Burnham's height. As Sasha on TWD and as Burnham, Martin-Green WALKS TALL, so it's always surprising to see her so short next to Saru and Ash (who are tall).
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
I read somewhere that sets on films are usually built 90% of scale, too, so the actors loom larger. I want to go back now and see if he's always ducking his head getting into elevators. There are some fairly recent SF books featuring a prey species developing a civilization, I wonder which ones of those the runners have read.
I like how the writers are indulging in some Westworldesque fucking with expectations - I thought that of course the 'I want to defect' bit would turn out to be a ruse, for it to be genuine I didn't see coming. There's some long game that's hard to see underneath those giant rubber heads (how painful must those contact lenses be). The legalese surrounding the not-yet-Prime Directive is interesting too
― Brakhage, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
I thought that of course the 'I want to defect' bit would turn out to be a ruse, for it to be genuine I didn't see coming.
I'm not convinced she really wants to defect! She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.
― Entree 3000 (Leee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
Didn't like the last episode - too much too fast, all three plots needed more room IMO.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.
if she really wanted to defect, she could have just gone with lorca/ash rather than take a phaser disruptor to the face
she's also much smarter than every other klingon, it would seem. which is more evidence that ash is a time bomb -- letting lorca/ash get away was uncharacteristically half-assed of her
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 November 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link
So am I right in thinking that Stamets is actually exchanging places with himself from a parallel ('mirror', if you will) universe/dimension, in which case the spores are not only a method for instantaneous travel but may also be a method of traversing universes - implying that each jump is actually a jump to a different physical point in a different but very similar universe? That seems to be where we're going but if we are it feels too much like a retread of the 2009 film which justified itself as a reboot by starting over in a fresh timeline
― Brakhage, Saturday, 11 November 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
some sort of *engineer voice* organic quantum folding going on here
― mh, Saturday, 11 November 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
My timecubes, let me show you them
― Brakhage, Sunday, 12 November 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link
i think it's a retcon for the genetic engineering ban -- suggesting that the engineering is a form of time/dimension travel.
― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 12 November 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
This is post-Khan being out on ice and the admiral did call them out to doing a banned eugenics experiment
― mh, Sunday, 12 November 2017 01:18 (six years ago) link
Mid-season finale *sigh* tonight; series resumes Jan. 7.
― Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
Intriguing!
― Spencer Chow, Sunday, 12 November 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
Pretty clear that A=V is correct from tonight's episode. Not only in L'Rell's words but also in the tech of the humans being able to mask as Klingons.
Next up, mirror universe arc where they wear VERY shirts.
― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 13 November 2017 06:13 (six years ago) link
I didn't think about it, but they're going to be in the universe where Michael's preemptive strike plan went into effect, aren't they?
― mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
Oh good call, circling back to roads-not-taken plot points from earlier episodes, I hadn't thought of that
This and the Mudd-loop episode is making me wonder just how mindfuck they want to get with the show. If they reveal bf to be a surgically-altered and brainwashed Klingon this whole ride is going to turn into a serious acid trip
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
Who am I kidding, the torture-sex scenes have already sent it over the edge
It would be wild if - assuming they could ever get back to 'their' universe - Discovery instead of a weapon-to-end-wars became the ultimate research vessel, collecting information on how things turn out elsewhere given certain choices. They'd have to rename the ship the A/B Discovery or the USS Choice Architecture
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
Now I'm really wondering why they call the Prime Directive "General Order 1".
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
That's what they called it in TOS, IIRC.
― Entree 3000 (Leee), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
if tilly is going to be working on starfleet's most important system, she really needs a promotion
even wesley got acting ensign
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
definitely going to get a “Tilly steps up” plot in here somewhere, where she steps up in some dire circumstance and her awkwardness is cast off
― mh, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 01:02 (six years ago) link
xpost
Memory Alpha says "General Order 1" is actually from The Animated Series - nice.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link
They’ve made other refs to the Animated series, too
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 06:59 (six years ago) link
Fun episode with one genuine shock (although as they're now in an alternate universe I imagine it will be fairly easy to bring him back)
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 08:38 (six years ago) link
I'm enjoyjng this but a Michael is getting a little boring.
The "shock" was interesting - I would've thought the writers were smarter than that trope, so I'm guessing that's not the end of that story.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 09:29 (six years ago) link
I think I should have seen it coming when the episode had me thinking, "Wow, this character is maybe the most empathetic character we've seen in this role on Star Trek, what a great guy"
― mh, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
I should have guessed, all spontaneous declarations of love for a partner must be followed by death.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
It's a little unnerving to see out of all the spinoffs, Enterprise is the one that is being mined for the most material to weave canon out of. Maybe we'll get to see evil Porthos cameo.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
Ashhole amirite?
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
Maybe WE'RE the ones in the mirror universe.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
no midriff mirror universe uniforms yet so may it’s changed over there
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
It's nice to see Frakes directed this, IMHO his is the first Trek name to have been associated with a good series.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Oops, forgot Nick Meyer.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:31 (six years ago) link
he went a little overboard on the camera-circling-everyone thing
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
The camera NEVER STOPPED
Static locked down shots don’t exist anymore
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:36 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHbLewg79c
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:37 (six years ago) link
I know the agony booths were in TOS, but the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK. File it with the most painful way to suicide bomb, the most painful possible gun disintegration, and the warp engine booth that tortures the occupant.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Similar to a comment made in the RLM vid on Abrams’ approach to the ‘09 reboot. Everything must be HYPERCHARGED.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
I’m curious how a TOS/Constitution-class ship looks rendered in the particular art direction of this show, esp with the lighting.
Here’s what it looked like 15 years ago:
http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/pictures/2010-04-23_Defiant.jpg
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK
Yeah, you'd think that the show would've outgrown its Oedipal impulses by now, but maybe they feel that a midseason premiere required them to reassert the GRIMDARK.
I think with JJ, he may have been overcompensating because he wasn't that familiar with Trek prior to getting the franchise.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Next step in L'Rell's master plan: get Burnham's answers to her security questions.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
some viewers were upset that the asian captain gets killed/the black woman gets court martialed/the female admiral gets tortured/the gay guy gets killed*/etc., so it seems only fair that the white guy gets a little agony booth
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
he does have the pre-existing messed up vision. definitely a problem in the terran empire, where insurance is absolutely brutal
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
maybe aztec'd like this:http://deg3d.biz/posts/deg3D_NCC-1701_112.jpg
and lit like this:http://deg3d.biz/desktops_art_SOMS.html
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
whoops:http://deg3d.biz/images/deg3D_TOS.5_E_SOMS_1956.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link