Neil Young - On The Beach

I could vote for every song here, but I'm in an "Ambulance Blues" mood.

voted the title track, its like a morphine addled roll down the stairs.

I'd be amazed if anything other than "Ambulance Blues" won.

do any balearicy edits exist of anything on this?

least favorite of the doom trilogy. gotta go with "turnstiles"

"Revolution Blues", I love the pop sound on the drums on this hippy apocalypse; final solo is pretty tremendous too.

b side is a perfect thing of beauty

in the face of that impossibility I'm going with "revolution blues"

contains one of my favorite young lyrics

well I hear that laurel canyon is full of famous stars
but I hate them more than lepers and I'll kill them in their caaarrrs

^^^ ed III otm.

There was a summer when I listened to this album every single morning on my walk to work. Three miles to wash dishes at Old Country Buffet. Some days it was my only moment of bliss. Gonna re-listen a few times before I vote. Great album.

^i love this story.

i used to listen to it a lot while riding the bus to & from work at a hole in the wall diner. "See The Sky About to Rain" has always stuck with me more than any of the others. The keys just resonate in a profound way that sucks me in & holds me tight. i never liked happy music before work, but i didn't want to be depressed either. That song is a perfect melancholic work & i still play it a lot. The rest of the songs are brilliant as well, my personal fav NY album.

may be an impossible poll for me. just pulled it out for a listen and i gotta be up in a few hours...

^^great stories btw - this is the perfect album to create memories with

Revolution Blues and for that lyric - best thing he ever wrote.

Ditto.

Seems to be a bit overrated these days, this album, not that it isn't good... very good. "See the Sky About to Rain" is pretty. Has to be "Ambulance Blues" though.

Favourite NY album, probably my 8 favourite NY songs. Hard to choose, but I'll go for On The Beach. This is also the only NY album my wife can bear to listen to.

ambulance blues, "we're all just pissing in the wind"

Not sure if I prefer Sky or Ambulance.

This album... I mean, you'd think a '70s hippy album called "On The Beach" would be a sunny shiny affair, but it's just so RAINY. It's dreary, but beautifully so. It reminds me of a particularly miserable lunch time, sitting in the sandwich shop and staring out the window at the windscreen wipers on the cars working furiously as people's umbrellas shot up.

OTB=RAINY=OTM
That's the detail I forgot in the story above. The first notes of Walk On always retrieve, more than anything, really vivid smells of rain while walking up Madison Ave.

Before the 2003 CD release, did y'all just copy the vinyl version to a tape?

My vinyl version (well, my dad's vinyl version) has the parasol pattern inside the sleeve. Is this on every vinyl copy or am I sitting on a goldmine?

what's neil young got against lepers?

They're not all that popular in general, historically

They remind him of David Crosby.

in some way, i think on the beach is Neil Young response to Nick Drake (only so much better)
it is known that Ambulance is influenced by Bert Jansch's "Needle of Death", and i think Drake was influenced by Jansch as well.
all those gentle, beautiful touches, like Rusty Kershaw fiddle in Ambulance (and the hand drums), or the banjo in Turnstiles,were never represented in any other Young record.
even the rock songs here arent row and heavy like most of Young rock songs,and present a more creative aspects:
the guitar has no distortion, and the playing is not the regular chords-solo-chords you usually get from Neil.
same goes with the drums.
i think only in Harvest he did something similiar but it wasnt as gentle,delicate and beautiful as On The Beach.

Definitely my favourite NY album. Revolution Blues for the surly, apocalyptic anti-LA vibe. It sounds so poisonous.

in some way, i think on the beach is Neil Young response to Nick Drake (only so much better)

Be surprised if he'd heard him

even the rock songs here arent row and heavy like most of Young rock songs,and present a more creative aspects:
the guitar has no distortion, and the playing is not the regular chords-solo-chords you usually get from Neil.
same goes with the drums.

This is why they are not so good, in my opinion

Ambulance Blues by a mile. best thing Neil ever done.

I love this album, and its great that he finally reissued it, but I'm a little tired of it. I've been listening to Time Fades Away a whole lot lately and I'd rather talk about that one and why in the hell its still out of print.

wait till you get tired of time fades away and get hooked on journey through the past

^ serious talk

time fades away is out of print because neil is a fidelity nut and the master tapes are all 2 track tape that you can't really remix

he prepared an SACD version that sounded fantastic but then declined to release it

I have a leaked copy that I think I've leonardo'd in the past?

I'd like to hear it.

i thought it was because Neil didn't like the album?

xp I'll see if I can dig it out

from http://www.thrasherswheat.org/tnfy/timefadesaway_album.htm

The problem with "Time Fades Away" is even worse, as it naivély stated on LP labels: "This Recording Was Mastered 16-Track/Direct To Disc (acetate) by Computer"; the multi-track master tape was recorded/mixed LIVE, leaving little room for remixing the "warts & all" tape hiss, bad notes & crowd noise.

To reassemble the album, someone would need to sort through fifty or so ¼" and/or 2" multi-track reels & "a few" cassettes. Finding the right version by date would be easy enough, but at what stage would the mix be at? Raw recording? Truck monitor mix? Mono PA monitor recording? And what about necessary over-dubs ("L.A.", "Last Dance")? Where are Crosby's vocals? How'd they layer the voices like that? ...impossible.

My vinyl version (well, my dad's vinyl version) has the parasol pattern inside the sleeve. Is this on every vinyl copy or am I sitting on a goldmine?

Mine has this. assumed they all did? I got mine about a dozen years ago for .50 ... great copy, too!

yeah, time fades away clearly isn't neil's favorite album but he went so far as to get it ready for HDCD rerelease along with the rest of the "missing 6" in 2004 (on the beach, journey through the past, time fades away, american stars & bars, hawks & doves, reactor)

the only two that didn't get a final release were time fades away and journey through the past, even though they were given a catalog number, had copies pressed, etc. and from what I understand it was due to unhappiness w/ the final sound quality.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/timefadesaway.png

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/jttp.png

frankly I'm shocked that he's gonna release journey through the past (the film) on DVD as part of the archives

Doing what you least expect him to do is his thing really

Re: Time Fades Away, some of the songs are on YouTube if anyone is curious about them.

is there a two-disc version of Landing on Water in the works?

according to the great bio shakey neil won't release time fades away because the associated memories of that tour (last one with danny? first one after danny? something like that) are too raw for him still. could be complete bullshit though. neil's wily. could be saving that last ace up his sleeve for some master exit strategy

first one after danny, like a month or two later.

also from wikipedia:

Along with the soundtrack to Journey Through the Past, Time Fades Away remains the only officially released Neil Young album unavailable on CD. Many Young aficionados like to believe that this is due to bad memories of the tour that spawned the record, though the problem may be due to more of a technical nature than anything else. Time Fades Away was recorded directly from the soundboard to final 2-track masters using the Quad-8 CompuMix, the first and utterly unreliable digital mixing soundboard--against the wishes of producer David Briggs, who referred to it as the "Compufuck" but was forced to yield to the desires of Young. This resulted in a murky-sounding release; because the final mixes were those rough cuts, the album cannot be remixed.

at the end of the day it's bullshit tho cause the HDCD of time fades away sounds fantastic

oh wait this is an on the beach thread

jeez way to go Neil

I know, so odd for him to make a bad self-destructive decision

they don't call it the ditch trilogy for nothin'

I know, so odd for him to make a bad self-destructive decision

LOL

Thanks for humoring me re: Time Fades Away talk.
I voted On The Beach in this poll.
When I saw Neil play solo in 99 (maybe? 98?) he played Ambulance Blues and it was awesome.

he was doing it on the 2007 tour too

eternally grateful that I saw him jam that one live

I would agree with the results of this poll that "Vampire Blues" is the weakest song, but it's still pretty good and is a nice modest closer for side one before we begin the slow healing process of side two.
"See the Sky" is generalized melancholy against the specific melancholy or bitterness of the other songs.

"see the sky" is beautiful. i can't really be objective about any of neil's ballads from this era because they all hit me where i live.

ok, maybe not "a man needs a maid"

Walk On and See the Sky sound great together.

huge fan of see the sky, my fav on side 1

In this week's edition of "what was the last 'classic album' you got and were knocked out by?", I found a $4 copy of OTB at my local record store over the weekend. I was vaguely aware of it's classic status, but i've never owned any Neil Young, so I figured this might be a good entry point. And now I'm having to restrain myself from just playing it on a repeat loop and completely wearing it out in the first week.
Favorite details:
- the title track sounds like it's gonna be a standard I-IV-V 12-bar blues, but instead of the V, it goes somewhere else (to the III?), and it creates this sublime little oasis in the chord progression
- Rick Danko's bass on Revolution Blues
- "Remember your guard dog? Well, I'm afraid that he's gone. It was such a drag to hear him whining all night long. Aaa-ooooo"
- when i spotted a pattern inside the record sleeve, and then realized it was the beach umbrella pattern. Did other records do this trick?

If Revolution Blues is my north star, where do I go next? (does that mean I need to get into The Band? i'm not sure if i'm ready for that)

I got my copy of this for $1 thirty years ago, when it was still unavailable.
The title track is a minor blues that goes to the relative major instead of the fifth.
I remember another LP that had the credits printed on the inside of the jacket, but I forget what it was.
I feel that Time Fades Away is the companion to this record if you haven't heard that. The Band don't have a lot of stuff that sounds or feels like "Revolution Blues"; maybe try "Just Another Whistle Stop" ("Police siren, flashing light, and I wonder who went down tonight").

I feel like if you love On the Beach (as I do), Tonight's the Night makes a nice companion piece.

Yeah, The 'Ditch Trilogy' (Time Fades Away, Tonight's The Night, and On The Beach) is a must. Also make sure to check out Zuma and Homegrown!

If Revolution Blues is my north star, where do I go next?

As the others say, Murky Neil = Time Fades Away and Tonight's the Night. And when you're ready to open the window, go immediately to Zuma.

Time Fades doesn't do it for me on the same level. Love Zuma though.

Zuma's my favorite Neil Young album.

Ditto.

I would go for this order next, but they are all terrific and worth hearing in whatever order ends up working for you:

Zuma
Tonight's the Night
Time Fades Away
Homegrown

As far as The Band, I don't think you're going to find anything with that kind of angry drive to it (i.e. ala Revolution Blues). I like the Band but there's sometimes a bit of an earnest, wholesome family entertainment vibe to them that puts me off. Def not writing songs about hating celebrities on dune buggies and shooting dogs out of spite.

The other LP I was trying to remember, with credits printed inside the sleeve, was No New York.

Steely Dan has several misanthropic blues in the spirit of "Revolution Blues", maybe try "Black Friday".

A great song, but of course Steely Dan doesn't have Neil's ramshackle feel, if that is part of the attraction.

the Band dont have a lot of songs that sound like revolution blues in terms of dark edgy feel, but just in terms of dankos lunatic basslines they have plenty where he goes off in a similar style

"w.s. walcott's medicine show" has a similar ramshackle groove with a fun danko bassline. obv the mood is more old-timey fun than strung-out desparation

It's true; in the context of "Revolution Blues", the bass and drums communicate a very different feeling than they do on Robertson's songs, although the actual playing is not that different.

Al Schmitt, who produced side two of OTB, just died.

see this thread about to rain

He also worked a lot with the Jefferson Airplane.

how many more nights can i get whisky soaked to this record? cos it's literally all i seem to do anymore

what, no honey slides?

whoa that water has tequila in it!

haha, and two industrial boxes of fritos and cigarettes put out in the carpet, according to the shakey biography

As far as The Band,
Def not writing songs about ... shooting dogs out of spite.

Indeed, my interpretation has always been that they wrote (a) song (partially) about balking at shooting a dog!

(Wait a minute Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man)

As far as The Band, I don't think you're going to find anything with that kind of angry drive to it (i.e. ala Revolution Blues).

Think this is about as close as you're gonna get — recorded just a couple months before On The Beach. Pretty vicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLP85S1PRC0

I wish Neil Young had covered "On the Beach":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yXVufG5oV0

the boz scaggs on the beach cover from a couple years ago was surprisingly pretty great

Chris Rea or Neil's?

Neil's, from Boz's Out of the Blues album.

the definitive reading of neil’s on the beach is, of course, mick hucknall’s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDbctjmjvXg

If the implication is that Simply Red is capable of neutering that song, they're not, it still slays. You just can't keep that song down.

(not stop sure about the guitar solo though -- it kinda makes a good case, by way of contrast, for the genius of neil's soloing on the original)

xp idk abt that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNO1b8UOuY

I don't see it mentioned above but if you are curious about Rusty Kershaw, the Cocaine & Rhinestones country music podcast did a very entertaining episode about Rusty and his brother Doug. Later in the episode about 20 minutes are devoted to a Rusty-centric view of the making of On the Beach. https://cocaineandrhinestones.com/rusty-doug-kershaw-cajun-way

Thanks! for those who want some rumblin' Danko, over on the The Band Thread, we were talking about "Small Town Talk," usually a poignant ballad, co-written w Bobby Charles---his version here is something else
Danko's version! Louder, faster than expected. hey fuck that small town talk!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hxOI1M5bpk

^ great bounce on that one