Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

tbh Frost never said that, either

just that her mom was the bug lady, and pick yr texts

by “further” I meant extrapolation from the show and Frost’s book

imo it’s all original sin and we’re the fusion

Frost’s new book is great soap opera and that’s about it! I don’t think I gleamed anything deep that wasn’t implied

the random “what as with the cockney guy” sidebar, never expanded upon, was a hilarious lack of explanation. some things just happen.

not going to go with the “Lynch doesn’t know anything either” version, though, because there is some authorial Intent there that you can discard for critical theory, and all interpretations are valid. BUT to say all do the creators have had no say in what their work means, especially when it’s delivered as a television drama and not a tablet from god or what have you, is pretty silly

In the book's account of the scene at the sheriff's station, BOB just floats up and disappears. No mention of Freddie smashing him. I'd like to know how late Lynch threw that in the show and would love to believe he didn't even tell Frost until after it was shot and in the can.

Did the Freddie character exist solely because Lynch was so enchanted by his wacky accents YouTube video?

i'm sort of glad the books exist if only bc they nearly confirm the lynch/frost binary

last one is the winnah imo

um

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kate flipped out that she made it in!

She won!

hahahaha holy shit OF COURSE she did

it's Telluride 2011 all over again

kyle MacLachlan has slid into Kate's DMs!!!!!

wow

Woooooot!

While she has him on the line...

hellooooOOooOoo kate

what was the prize?

we haven't heard yet

you get to meet the jumping man

it's a green formica table.

*throws out current kitchen table*
send it over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUkl0luOEs

slaps

awesome

AMA with Mark Frost starts in 10mins (10am PST/1pm EST):

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/

Apparently in a recent interview he was asked about the possibility of more and said "no comment" - surprised at how much ppl involved are hinting at a continuation

From what I've seen on twitter the ama is mostly short, boring answers to every last question asked by people who hate having to use their imagination. They should retitle the thread "the final dossier vol 2"

I'm diving into the last 3 episodes tomorrow. Can't wait, eps 14 & 15 have been amazing.

Oh man 16-18 is a trip

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

has a couple of kind of knowing winks that were fun too ('i won't bore you' with the details of the evelyn marsh story; a roll of the eyes as 'the cockney with the green glove')

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

very very otm

yeah i regret pre-ordering it, the book has been sitting on my shelf since i got it because everyone i know that read it said it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show

I think of Frost / Lynch the same way as Clarke / Kubrick for 2001. The writer feels he has the definitive take on the narrative and thematic content, but the director's work far surpasses it in terms of meaning and resonance.

Palahniuk/Fincher

lol sorry, couldn't resist

Kinda don't understand why you guys are so disappointed that the Frost book is apparently exactly what everyone expected it to be.

it is and isn't?

the first was this fake esoteric document, government redacted affair. the capstone final dossier book is gossipy narration in the style of the margin notes of the first, with very few asides

I guess I should keep my trap shut until I actually read the thing (just got it in the mail yesterday, immediately flipped open to the autopsy report of a character whose fate had been left ambiguous, kinda get what you guys are talking about).

For all its faults the secret history was clearly a labour of love, frost pulling in all sorts of hobbyhorses & telling the story he wanted to tell (nobody was clamouring for the exploits of Doug Milford), filling the book with little puzzles; the final dossier is so obviously tossed-off in comparison, a dutiful half-arsed tying up of loose ends. The contents page may as well be a checklist. Had to lol at frost RTing all the ppl who were like "I devoured the book in one sitting!" as if it isn't like 50 pages long and as substantial as a Rice Krispie.

It's insultingly low-energy for the price - a large percentage of the very low page count is black pages & as I said above the experience of reading it is often about the same as reading his Reddit ama. A stupid amount of space is given over to a torturous attempt to explain away some of the continuity fuckups of the first book, like the different names & backstories of annie & Norma; funny thing is if he'd just left it a lot of ppl would have assumed he was doing something much cleverer & more interesting than he was! Bending over backwards to find a mundane (if very very dumb) explanation is essentially an admission that he fucked up & is trying to fix it (a lot of the apologia for the 2nd season reads like this as well). It's actually a good illustration of how twin peaks is best when it works against this impulse to make everything fit. Another major eyeroll is TP saying of Audrey "I think I heard she might be in a mental institution or something" - remember that lynch wrote all of that plotline by himself so this is frost having to figure out what's going on like the rest of us, and his best guess is literally as good as anyone's. Charlie is her accountant, yep, good one dude, keep the mystery alive lol

There is some stuff I like: jerry's forest speakers are the kind of fun little detail that I could see being done in the series, and I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

I enjoyed it. It's an hour read, not worth the money, but when it comes down in price it's worth it. As for it's effects, I find this idea of the 'canon' very odd. You're free to accept it or not.

Canon schmanon! I like that there are all these different versions of twin peaks that openly contradict each other, I just think this latest version is particularly dull and I'm happy to dismiss it out of hand. It's just v nothingy; pure bathos, no magic. A couple of nice passages but for the most part Tammy's disquisitions are as bland as her reportage - the most the book approaches being fun are the couple of times he slips into the voice of a character who actually has one (log lady, Albert).

I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

looking forward to reading this part, even though i think the scene in the missing pieces is the perfect way for her character to exit the world of twin peaks

It's basically a macabre dadjoke but I lold

Oh man both the scenes graham filmed for fwwm give me goosebumps; lynch really knew how to make good use of the character (such as it is) & her glassy stare

The differing approaches of Lynch and Frost to the same basic material is a good illustration of how a narrative artist's style is dictated by where they decide to stop (e.g. editing a scene, deciding what constitutes an ending, etc.).

"it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show" well, maybe it does, or maybe it just supports all the thoughts most people already had about the show.

I'm not saying I love it, I'm just saying I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

,the one thing I think is consistently weird is that both frost and lynch maintain that they just didn't even really think about Annie while writing the return. Like, really? The character never once came up? c'mon

they just assumed her character was... fine where they left it