i'm sort of glad the books exist if only bc they nearly confirm the lynch/frost binary
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
well said
― mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
i mean ... not to diminish mark frost's role but does he actually even know who the bug girl is?
― na (NA), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
he keeps claiming to, but anyone really?
― mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
Sarah takes off her face and the bug's pointy nose sticks out, we're meant to conclude it.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
that part where she asked “would you like to meet the bug?” might have been a tip-off
― mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
there were a few discussions way upthread about the DIY quality of the special effects and if they were "bad" or not. in general i liked the way they used sfx but this might have been a scene where a slightly more realistic effect might have made that clear
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
― na (NA), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 19:30
― mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 20:50
Why so sceptical? Who knows how many of these were his ideas?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
because episode 8, more than any other until 18, felt like it could have been totally Lynch solo.
saw a halloween Diane in the street last night, considered taking a photo for this thread, decided I couldn't be bothered figuring out what Photobucket has changed about 3ph
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
mark frost doesn't "know" anything about the bug girl that's not in the text, because the bug girl doesn't exist outside of the text.
the proboscis of evil appearing behind sarah's face doesn't mean she was the bug girl. i read it as being about trauma turning her into a carrier or host for evil, represented by a recurring image the audience has been trained to associate with destruction, negation, chaos, fission. leland abusing+killing laura was the bug crawling into sarah. maybe the bug also crawled into her when she was a little girl, in the form of an actual bug actually crawling into her. maybe the bug crawls into all of us because adulthood is corruption, idk! but what would it even mean that the girl was sarah? the themes developed in the nuclear-test section of ep 8 are extremely stark and vivid (if still mysterious) and are already tied thematically to the "main" "plot" of the rest of the show. why bother tying them to it literally? why go to the trouble?
this show was good btw.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 2 November 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link
(i realize that frost's books supposedly expand the text but i have arbitrarily ruled this invalid.)
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 2 November 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link
death of the author (which is Lynch and not his co-writer)
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 02:29 (six years ago) link
lynch doesn't know anything either
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 2 November 2017 02:33 (six years ago) link
the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents, but she eventually escaped from her path via Cooper. the influence was too strong, she disappears, the timeline alters
the book mentions Tammy reading past newspapers and interviewing Twin Peaks residents and realizing Cooper came to investigate Laura’s disappearance, not murder, and nothing is ever clear
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 02:33 (six years ago) link
the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents
see that's cool but feel like it's cool to the extent that it's a metaphor and to the extent that it's a metaphor it was already there. less aggro-academically than the above posts what i rly think is that lynch+frost together did a rly good job of deciding what to put in their tv show.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 2 November 2017 03:16 (six years ago) link
tbh Frost never said that, either
just that her mom was the bug lady, and pick yr texts
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 03:17 (six years ago) link
by “further” I meant extrapolation from the show and Frost’s book
imo it’s all original sin and we’re the fusion
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
Frost’s new book is great soap opera and that’s about it! I don’t think I gleamed anything deep that wasn’t implied
the random “what as with the cockney guy” sidebar, never expanded upon, was a hilarious lack of explanation. some things just happen.
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
not going to go with the “Lynch doesn’t know anything either” version, though, because there is some authorial Intent there that you can discard for critical theory, and all interpretations are valid. BUT to say all do the creators have had no say in what their work means, especially when it’s delivered as a television drama and not a tablet from god or what have you, is pretty silly
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
In the book's account of the scene at the sheriff's station, BOB just floats up and disappears. No mention of Freddie smashing him. I'd like to know how late Lynch threw that in the show and would love to believe he didn't even tell Frost until after it was shot and in the can.
― Chris L, Thursday, 2 November 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link
Did the Freddie character exist solely because Lynch was so enchanted by his wacky accents YouTube video?
― Moodles, Thursday, 2 November 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 2 November 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
last one is the winnah imo
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
um
One of these posts will be the winner of #CoopLovesCostumes! Sorry I couldn't get you all in one video, but they were all fantastic! pic.twitter.com/nk4KLcjvq5— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) November 2, 2017
kate flipped out that she made it in!
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
She won!
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
hahahaha holy shit OF COURSE she did
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
it's Telluride 2011 all over again
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
kyle MacLachlan has slid into Kate's DMs!!!!!
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
wow
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
Woooooot!
― Moodles, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
While she has him on the line...
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
hellooooOOooOoo kate
― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
what was the prize?
― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link
we haven't heard yet
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
you get to meet the jumping man
― flappy bird, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
it's a green formica table.
― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 3 November 2017 01:12 (six years ago) link
*throws out current kitchen table* send it over
― mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 01:15 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUkl0luOEs
― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
slaps
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
awesome
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
AMA with Mark Frost starts in 10mins (10am PST/1pm EST):
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Apparently in a recent interview he was asked about the possibility of more and said "no comment" - surprised at how much ppl involved are hinting at a continuationFrom what I've seen on twitter the ama is mostly short, boring answers to every last question asked by people who hate having to use their imagination. They should retitle the thread "the final dossier vol 2"
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
I'm diving into the last 3 episodes tomorrow. Can't wait, eps 14 & 15 have been amazing.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
Oh man 16-18 is a trip
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.
― akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
has a couple of kind of knowing winks that were fun too ('i won't bore you' with the details of the evelyn marsh story; a roll of the eyes as 'the cockney with the green glove')
― akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
very very otm
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
yeah i regret pre-ordering it, the book has been sitting on my shelf since i got it because everyone i know that read it said it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:09 (six years ago) link