Two 10/10 records, but it seems to me like anybody saying that only one of them (TWA) features some at-times-"shoddy" (or whatever) mixing has never even listened to Tusk. And certainly not on headphones. That's not a knock on Tusk, either!
― winnebago taco, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
George Martin wasn't always around; the record's mostly self-produced.― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 30, 2017 4:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 30, 2017 4:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Indeed, and you can absolutely tell.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
At least Tusk sounds like they spent a lot of money making it. The production team on that record really worked hard to make everything sound the best it possibly could, even on the Lindsey stuff.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
this is like if geir became fixated on recording budgets instead of chord changes
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Paul's stuff on The Beatles basically covers the same ground he would in his solo career. The token rocker, the token granny music one, the token acoustic ballad etc.
John and George's stuff is far narrower - mostly basic rock or blues with the exception of a couple of deviations from that.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
lol Doc
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
you left out token rocksteady jam
mostly basic rock or blues with the exception of a couple of deviations from that.
lol yes Revolution No. 9 just a "deviation"
"Goodnight" eh just a slight "deviation"
"Bungalow Bill" just another deviation
why am I bothering
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
the totally rocking blues progression of "Julia"
let's not forget poor Ringo's lone bluegrass contribution
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
The only flaw with Tusk is on the drums to 'Walk a Thin Line', otherwise it's impeccable. The flaws of The Beatles? Shit, where do I start?
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
Well yeah, 'Revolution 9' and 'Good Night' are the exceptions, but I said as much days ago.
'The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill' is nothing more than a bad campfire song with rock backing. One of Lennon's worst and utterly silly.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
I wasn't arguing about song quality
it just seems weird to deny the sprawling genre experiments of TWA
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
I'm surprised George didn't sneak an Indian one onto the record, but he went all "back to basics" as was the fashion in '68.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
"The Inner Light" would've worked
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
If you play "Savoy Truffle" backwards, it sounds like a boss raga (iirc).
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
This period is basically the beginning of John wanting to do stripped down rock music, George rediscovering the guitar and Paul's solo career.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Tusk is my favourite record of all time so this isn't particularly close for me but dog latin's last post there really nails the appeal of the White Album. The sequencing really does enhance it.
The big similarity with these albums is the relation they both have to the couple of records that came before them - the sense of a loosening up, a withdrawal from something, a blurring of the edges which yeah, does sound sloppy at times but in a pleasing way. I love them both a lot but TWA just has a handful of songs I've got no time for.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
they also both signal the beginning of the end - two more relatively safe records by the same lineups, and then a split
― flappy bird, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
I remember when I first heard The Beatles - I actually found it quite disappointing. It felt that they'd just thrown everything on there whether it was any good or not. One of the first things I did was try and condense it down to a single LP that I felt was of the same quality as Rubber Soul or Revolver. I still think that some of the bands worst songs are on The Beatles.
Abbey Road, on the other hand, blew my mind on first listen and is still one of my favourite LP's of all time, Beatles or otherwise.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
It's not that The Beatles an unsafe record, it's just patchy.
*is
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
is sexy sadie basic rock or blues
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
It's a typical Lennon song performed with piano, guitar, bass and drums. Psychedelic or avant-garde it ain't.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
ah
so why is this discussion happening again
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
there’s one avant garde song on this record. super weird that none of the other songs are avant garde
Well observed!
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
i just think you’re bad at listening to and describing music
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
like who gives a shit if you think the white album is patchy. that’s part of its appeal for the ppl who love it
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
I think you're bad at reading, comprehending and drawing conclusions.
But since you asked, this discussion is happening because some folks have read far too much into The Beatles' self titled album from 1968.
I'd much rather be talking about how great Tusk is, but there you go.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
As far as I'm aware, The Beatles was generally considered to be a patchy record on release. So I guess this is like Gaucho in the sense that people got it right in the first place.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
The Gaucho was Paul, BTW.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 October 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
-----George Martin wasn't always around; the record's mostly self-produced.
Geoff Emerick was though, the sound/roughness is all as intended.
― albvivertine, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
Brad totally otm above
Not even Geoff Emerick was around all the time.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
divining intent re: "sloppiness" is a fool's game
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Luckily we have a fool to hand.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
quite
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
Guys, it's 2017 and not all of you are baby boomers clinging onto the notion that things were, like, soooooo much better back in the day - it's fully acceptable to admit that not everything The Beatles did was/is great and you can call out these records for what they are instead of listening to 'em through the layers of bullshit mythology that's accumulated over the decades.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
Spoken like a true Fleetwood Mac fan.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
Aside from 'Revolution 9', 'Good Night' and 'Piggies', that's just a series of folk or rock songs.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, October 27, 2017 3:20 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
come on dude you can say this about literally any album
tusk? that's just a series of pop songs.a love supreme? that's just a series of jazz songsto pimp a butterfly? that's just a series of rap songs
― marcos, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
Well, y'know, I don't think about the break-up's and affairs when I listen to Rumours or Tusk - the music stands strong apart from all that backstory stuff, as great music should.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
strong disagreement from me there
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
http://www.manowar-gallery.com/Gallery/Other_Recordings/Death_To_False_Metal/death_mc_II_g.jpg
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
esp given how willfully built around that mythology something like Rumours is, what with Stevie using her diary entries to compose lyrics etc., so much self-absorbed "confessional" crap all over the place.
I know I am in the minority as a Mac hater (see also: Bruce Willis, Michael Jackson) but I have a hard time peeling back the layers of bullshit from the Nicks-Buckingham era to get to anything interesting
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
tusk? that's just a series of pop songs.
Hmmyeah, I don't think anyone is disputing this.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
i am very open to contrarian opinions that try to undo received wisdom and canonization, unfortunately this opinion is the product of like, inattentive listening and bullshit posturing (just like the opinion about gaucho expressed pointlessly upthread and throughout several threads about that record) bc the white album is a great record, it sometimes feels like listening to three albums at once, even when i don’t like a song on it i’m drawn in by the vibe and atmosphere which yes is v shambolic that’s why it’s good
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
like my answer to the thread’s question is tusk bc that album is v v important to me and shaped my taste v early on but i don’t feel the need to be a huge shithead about it, telling truths about how the white album isn’t actually that good or whatever. how dumb. why listen to or think about music like that ever
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
'Go Your Own Way' and 'You Make Loving Fun' would still be perfect pop that is impeccably produced and well written and performed even if the lyrics to the songs were complete fantasy. It's actually quite easy to ignore the backstory and not invest in the soap opera element, which doesn't really interest me. What interests me more about that era of Fleetwood Mac is the vocal blend, Lindsey's guitar playing and the hooks.
(xxpost)
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 30 October 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link