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Florida being Florida?

MarkoP, Monday, 30 October 2017 04:07 (six years ago) link

Honestly I don't shed a tear about this, do artists (or in most cases their descendants) really need to keep getting paid on 50-year-old records?

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 30 October 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link

Also, I'm pretty sure this is misreported and it's just for performance rights, not for all copyright in the recording. It doesn't mean you could make bootlegs of a 1971 recording and sell them.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 30 October 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

so, if I understand this correctly, sampling always requires consent from whoever holds the rights to a specific recorded performance but recording a cover of a song does not require consent (however I guess some royalty money will go to whoever has the... publishing rights?)

but to use a cover recording in a movie/theatrical production/commercial requires consent from whoever holds the publishing rights?

niels, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2019-classic-rock-riffs-loophole/

Led Zeppelin won at the 2016 trial, but the matter isn’t resolved, and the stakes seem to have actually grown. Malofiy appealed, and in September, a three-judge panel on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ordered a Stairway do-over trial for procedural reasons. At the heart of the judges’ decision was a potentially industry-changing declaration: For pre-1978 unpublished songs, the deposited sheet music “defines the scope of the copyright.”

That ruling set off second appeals by both sides. Led Zeppelin asked for the original verdict to be upheld. Malofiy asked the entire appeals court, and not only three judges, to decide on the narrow issue of deposit copies. In early June, the San Francisco appeals court voted to have a rare 11-judge panel rehear the case in September, suspending the earlier appeals decision. The only topic on which the court has asked the parties for briefs so far is the primacy of deposit copies. The litigation has broader implications, undergirding a high-profile New York case in which plaintiffs are demanding more than $100 million for the alleged theft of Marvin Gaye’s Let’s Get It On for Ed Sheeran’s hit Thinking Out Loud .

The irony is there may be no winning outcome for Led Zeppelin. As Page’s testimony showed, the harder his lawyers push for strict readings of the copyright sheet music, the more they weaken the protection for Stairway.

Ambient Police (sleeve), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

A Eurocourt case from 2019 involved Kraftwerk and a sample from their track "Metal on Metal". For two decades the band have gone through the German courts against Moses Pelham over a song "Nur mir" that he produced in 1997.

The case went to the EUROPEAN COURT OF JUSTICE over the very important 2 seconds that were sampled – judges agreed that it wasn't legal, and that EU law wouldn't allow even shorter unauthorized samples.

- https://completemusicupdate.com/article/european-court-provides-clarity-on-sampling-rules-in-long-running-kraftwerk-case

And that was the conclusion of the EU court’s Advocate General Maciej Szpunar when he published an opinion on the Kraftwerk case last year. He wrote: “A phonogram is not an intellectual creation consisting of a composition of elements such as words, sounds, colours etc. A phonogram is a fixation of sounds which is protected, not by virtue of the arrangement of those sounds, but rather on account of the fixation itself”.

^ ^ new kraftwerk lyrics

But the real winner is the F-word, which is now a recognized legal term in EU documents, unless this writer was just paraphrasing

But what about the artistic freedom of the sampler that the German Constitutional Court was so concerned about? Well, the ECJ has put some constraints on its main ruling. In particular, if the sampler fucks with the sample so that it is unrecognisable in the final track, well, that’s fine. Because, it seems, sampling isn’t artistic enough to be protected by artistic freedoms, but fucking with samples is. – (Chris Cooke, CMU)

The real lesson is, don't ever sample a group from the '60s or '70s, it isn't worth it.

EXHIBIT A:

Kraftwerk - "Metall auf Metall"
https://youtu.be/JlatOPOMlyA

EXHIBIT A, again:

Sabrina Setlur - "Nur mir"
https://youtu.be/_KQLxP-UX_Y
(Somehow the music video has survived for 12 years on Youtube, where most others from the '00s were deleted. For copyright infringement.)

sbahnhof, Saturday, 4 January 2020 04:46 (four years ago) link

But why? They want to hang up a lot of album covers in their office?

Hipgnosis cofounder Merck Mercuriadis said: “Ask any of today’s greatest creators who their biggest influences are and the one name that appears on everybody’s list is Timbaland. Blink 182's Tom DeLonge.”

sbahnhof, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 06:24 (four years ago) link

Haha. Here’s a whole thing about it — publishing rights as evergreen commodity: https://variety.com/2019/music/opinion/master-rights-futures-greed-is-good-nick-jarjour-column-1203358588/

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 06:36 (four years ago) link

The Kraftwerk v Pelham lawsuit is back before the BUNDESGERICHTSHOF, but unexpectedly the 22-year case is set to go on for even longer – weeks or months, God. It's not like Germans to overcomplicate matters

Snapshot from yesterday:

https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/d6f01afb-5bd4-418f-a873-c670070259fe_w948_r1.77_fpx87_fpy37.jpg

...It's cool that there are two girl Kraftwerks now, while Moses Pelham's lawyer is Andre Rieu for some reason.

sbahnhof, Friday, 10 January 2020 09:09 (four years ago) link

Public Domain Day 2020: These 95-Year-Old Works Are Now Free to Use

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akwd7b/best-of-public-domain-day-2020

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

This is rad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU

DJI, Friday, 14 February 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/19/23689879/ai-drake-song-google-youtube-fair-use

If Google agrees with Universal that AI-generated music is an impermissible derivative work based on the unauthorized copying of training data, and that YouTube should pull down songs that labels flag for sounding like their artists, it undercuts its own fair use argument for Bard and every other generative AI product it makes — it undercuts the future of the company itself.

If Google disagrees with Universal and says AI-generated music should stay up because merely training an AI with existing works is fair use, it protects its own AI efforts and the future of the company, but probably triggers a bunch of future lawsuits from Universal and potentially other labels, and certainly risks losing access to Universal’s music on YouTube, which puts YouTube at risk.

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 03:09 (eleven months ago) link

Nilay doesn’t seem to understand the DMCA. YouTube’s not at a risk for being sued; the lawsuit would involve the claimant and the content uploader. The person he asked at Google clearly tried to explain this to him.

morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 03:57 (eleven months ago) link


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