brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

If it had to be Stalinists vs Centrist Dads I'd be cheering on the gulags tbh

Gulags are somewhat underrated imo!

Although I next time I read some Solzhenitsyn, need to think about Good Gulags not bad ones!

I have a little fairly substantial list

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Crabb getting pasted tomorrow, Stephen Crabb a devout christian etc....

On replay that Gove/Kinnock incident sounds even worse, not only uproarious laughter from the audience - but loud applauding of the "joke".

thought the crabb sexting scandal was well known. it was that that sunk his leadership attempt last time round

DD groping thighs and ogling tits according to shippers. o'mara scandal was always going to bring a plague on the tories house

I think this might be a newer one, the torygraph aren't just going revive a 2016 story are they? But yes, a plague on their house would be good. Apparently May gets regular info from the internal Tory NKVD on the sexual indiscretions of her MP's called the "ins and outs" briefing.

While MPs make millions suffer this is many of them are up to:

Anyone got the full copy of this story? pic.twitter.com/OZrfB3f9cZ

— Mediocre Grave (@MediocreDave) October 29, 2017

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not from the '77 archives, this is now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41794625

The international trade minister also confirmed calling her "sugar tits," according to the Mail on Sunday, but he said it did not amount to harassment.

gavin and stacey, so much to answer for

Barring a colossal legal effort I can't see Boris Johnson coming through the upcoming storm unscathed.

= ann soubry's long game all along

(ps i don't actually believe this)

This sex toy story is an interesting test case of how damaging these stories might prove.

Kind of a Laboratoire Garnier, if you will lol

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lol

"There are mums and dads who have daughters who are politics students hoping to get a job in Westminster, and they must be able to be confident that if they get that job, their daughter will not be subject to some of these behaviours that we have been seeing."

Jeremy Hunt sticks it to the patriarchy

Smart of Hunt to put the message over to the daughter's parents because hell knows their daughter isn't voting Tory.

When Hammond made the comment about trains being so easy that women can drive them, his defence against sexism was that he was "a parent of two high-achieving daughters".

"My mum's one"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41795133

cheers Baz, this will help

Good to see Baz finds time away from his lobbying interests to remind everybody why he needs deselecting. He can't even take the moral high ground over Heaton-Harris with his double brexit/polytechnic snobbery, just a complete waster.

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That would explain why the Tories seem better at maintaining party discipline.

So Perrior's admitting that the whips routinely blackmail MPs. NAGL for the party of law and order.

So let me get this right .. All those maverick Tory MPs who vote against the party whip - They are the ones that haven't been inapproprite so are safe from whip blackmail?

I don't think many Tories have defied a three line whip in recent history. Soubry hinted that she would in future on AQ a couple of weeks back.

David Davis voted against the "snooper's charter" bill, and he looks like someone with dark secrets.

That should be a scandal in itself -- instituionalising and weaponising abuse like that is pretty evil even for Tories. Imagine if the Catholics had been keeping quiet on known abuse not just as part of their coverups but to blackmail key people in the Curia?

I feel like saying that it seems like behaviour that used to be termed "sleaze" has become so normalised in politics etc... but that might sound a bit Society Is in The Gutter.

Like for instance in the 90's MP's went to the sword over the Cash For Questions scandal. Now Bazza just openly declares he is owned by lobbyists and it barely makes a ripple.

although this isn't really to do with the *other* types of sleaze.

in all parties the job the whips are paid for is control of the vote in the house, the firmer the better, and they've always been "by any means necessary" about it: happy to believe there's more suss behaviour among the tories right now, but highly doubt the whips in the other parties wd prioritise their duties much differently tbh

^

If stuff comes out about labour whips office, maybe it will be a blessing that they were hostile to corbyn at least until june.

Altho lol nuance, obviously

they've always been "by any means necessary" about it

Yeah, and that's all jolly and self-important of them, but if the means extend to colluding in covering up illegality I'm not sure it's going to be defensible for long. Though, yep, can well believe all whips various are in on it.

who's Bazza?

Barry Sheerman, safe seat wasteman MP, lobbyist, intellectual giant who didn't go to no shit Polytechnic, no.

if there's a counterforce within the tory party that is keen enough to respond to public disgust on this topic that it defies the tory whips and mobilises to demonise them (risking all the dangers of the party being out of power for a long time as actual real socialism is being brought back) then i would maybe start to bet against the whips, as the crew that rides this out

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

also somewhat to the point:
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Well The Sun seem to taking all of this extremely seriously as usual.

Front page: Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has admitted to "inappropriately" touching the knee of journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer. The paper quotes Sir Michael as saying that he apologised to her over the incident 15 years ago and both considered the matter closed.

Yeah, if we can focus on inconsequential things, we can get all that serious stuff forgotten about.

FOBT reforms are well overdue and "the crack cocaine of gambling" is quite accurate when you see the mess some people get into when they get sucked into the roulette vortex. I was talking to a friend who is a betting shop manager yesterday. He isn't happy about the prospect of losing a job which hasn't really left him with many transferable skills. He works for an independent bookie chain that used to have 26 shops in the 90's + is down to 5 now - and says oftentimes 75% of his shop turnover is from the FOBT terminals.

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

My guess would be that the Tories would be prepared to put pretty much any schism to one side for as long as the alternative is putting Corbyn in #10. The lack of an obvious viable successor is keeping outright warfare at bay, which helps as May is probably Corbyn's biggest electoral asset for the time being.

Xp Should ban advertising for "online casinos" first tbh

Should ban advertising for gambling full stop - especially those which use Professional Cockney Wankers.

I can recall people with addiction problems signing self-exclusion forms 15 - 20 years ago, when all the action was in the bookies/casino. I don't know how effective that was, but it would seem completely useless now.

Having said that, difficult to justify when ITV ends every night's programming with three hours of gambling.

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There is a whole universe of difference to reducing a FOBT limit to between £50 or £2 a spin. I'd imagine with the amount of betting duty coming in, that Hammond won't be up for any radical reduction at all.