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But according to the folks at the Oxford English Dictionary, which tracks the historical usage of words, the first recorded use of “stan” as a verb that they have found so far was in a tweet from April 2008

https://theoutline.com/post/2425/when-stan-became-a-verb

here you go: i think al shipley's choice of herb-ass rappers to stan for indicates he can't really criticize a dude like rick ross saying his voice sucks

― and what, Monday, January 28, 2008 3:03 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rick Ross - Port Of Miami

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

Let's get Ethan in the OED.

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

yes!

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

lol that's way too late

j., Friday, 27 October 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link

I was actually surprised that that was the earliest ILX post I could find. But it still beats the OED's citation.

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link

considering the song came out in fucking 2000 there is no way it took 8 years to transition to a commonly used verb - I feel like it happened almost right away in hip hop circles

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 October 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link

I looked into this: Google gives 14 pages of results for "stan for" between 2000 & the end of 2007, none of which are used in this sense (it's mostly "thanks to Stan for..."). Variations like stanning or stanned will also get you nothing in that timeframe.

In contrast it took me about a second to find examples of people using "stan" as a noun on hip hop fora & blogs a few years before that - if you make an actual effort it's v possible you'll find stuff even earlier. But looks like if people were using the verb form before 2008, they weren't doing it on the internet

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 27 October 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

pish

j., Friday, 27 October 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link

peak jaymc

imago, Friday, 27 October 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link

i still support bumping this thread whenever it can be used to one-up the OED

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link

"there are some things that should always be ok"

- me, during a peptalk for my dog

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 October 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link

remember when Suzy claimed that she coined the word gaydar?

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Friday, 27 October 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link

Craigslist hilarity

there should genuinely be a trigger warning on that turdpile xxp

gah maybe the dude's poisoned towards women but I still think he's got good intentions despite his youth and social disaffection - needs to hang elsewhere IMO

― let it sb (acoleuthic), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 8:41 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Friday, 27 October 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

Lolz

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Friday, 27 October 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link

when I was 11 years old I was part of a final fantasy 11 clan which was just a message board at that point, and I thought the members there coined and spread the misspelling 'pwn' because that was the first place I saw it

internet

qualx, Friday, 27 October 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link

Coyote Nate >>> and what

Zero-cred going-on-30 Midwestern whiteboy Jew alphabetical top ten washed-up/cornball hip hop stanning list '06:

Clipse
The Coup
E-40
Ghostface
J. Dilla
Killer Mike
The Roots
Spank Rock
T.I.
Trae

― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, November 20, 2006 10:39 AM (ten years ago)

Rolling 2006 Hip Hop Thread

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 27 October 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link

Blind To Their Faults

Not merely am I blind to the Smashing Pumpkins' nonexistent faults, I just got tickets to see Billy C.'s new band, which is allegedly nothing but prog-inspired 20-minute bizarro jam sessions. Woohoo!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, November 4, 2001 8:00 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Poor, poor Ned.
― Sean, Sunday, November 4, 2001 8:00 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THE TRUE POETS OF ZWAN...really now, Ned. That's just unacceptable.
― Melissa W, Sunday, November 4, 2001 8:00 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Saturday, 28 October 2017 05:36 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

first mention:

SmH....I JuSt WaNnA FiND a bOmB SeXy ThIcC* GuRl 2 FuCc

― BilLy FuCc*N StRoKeAHoE (unregistered), Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:19 PM (nine years ago)

second mention (about a year after every dumbass on the internet started spelling it that way):

bad thang, fine as hell, thicc af

― ||||||||, Friday, December 30, 2016 1:07 PM (one year ago)

that random googler was seriously ahead of the curve!

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Saturday, 13 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link

nice dude

flappy bird, Saturday, 13 January 2018 05:54 (six years ago) link

I wd rather be Sting's fuckboy than "date" a model
― mark s, Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:00 PM (sixteen years ago)

malcolm macdowell has a cute fiery irish g/f and the moopy looking one has a cute blond fuckboy and it's AGAINST THE SYSTEM YEAH PUNK ROCK!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, September 22, 2002 6:03 AM (fifteen years ago)

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link

Are u saying what I think ur saying

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link

I honestly have no idea what you're thinking!

unless it has something to do with "influence", in which case...yeah)

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link

Nakh s

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link

thought it was spelled fuccboi

the late great, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link

missing naccboi so much rn

jesus and figs and science and the foo fighters (unregistered), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link

nakhmanides

Mordy, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link

somewhat dormant on FB, even

the late great, Friday, 19 January 2018 01:14 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

I'm going to see Paula open for Kanye at UMBC next week! hopefully she'll have CDs for sale or at least some info about when the album is going to drop.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, April 12, 2004 1:54 PM

pplains, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Alden Ehrenreich is my new celebrity crush.

― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:46 PM (eight years ago)

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 18 June 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link

scott seward wrote this on thread I'm going to Bonnaroo. on board I Love Music on Jun 26, 2015

2015

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Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 June 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

donut bitch (donut) wrote this on thread haha try and defend vice from accusations of stupidity NOW on board I Love Everything on Nov 12, 2002

In Vice's defense, the article is quoting just Gavin McInnes

Dan Perry wrote this on thread You Dream ILE Poster on board I Love Everything on Jul 31, 2001

After going to Joe Rogan's website, I REALLY want him to start posting here. Anyone with such a right-minded take on running with the bulls in Pamplona is a Great Person.

j blount (papa la bas) wrote this on thread once again, the jesus freaks and the republicans (i know, i know, REDUNDANT) are sticking their fucking noses where THEY DON'T FUCKING BELONG on board I Love Everything on Mar 21, 2005

Q Can you go over what went on last night, in terms of the President signing the bill and how it went down?
MR. McCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE: Sure. I guess the bill -- the House passed it shortly after midnight, and then the President signed it at 1:11 a.m., in the morning. The Staff Secretary, Brett Kavanaugh, walked the legislation over to the residence for the President to sign. He came outside his bedroom and signed it in the residence.

Q Had he been asleep?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, he was woken up after it was passed, when it was ready to be signed.

Q I heard you describe it earlier, he came out of his bedroom and literally signed it standing up in the hall; is that how it went/

MR. McCLELLAN: That's correct, yes. He was just standing in the hall in the residence an signed the legislation then.

Q Was he wearing --

Q Is it safe to assume he wasn't wearing a suit and tie at the time? (Laughter.)

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not going into that much detail. Yes, he cleaned up, put on his suit -- (laughter.)

good times!

... (Eazy), Friday, 19 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link

three great ones

flappy bird, Friday, 19 October 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative) wrote this on thread Rolling Metal 2017 on board I Love Music on May 20, 2017

Got an email that said Radkey was playing the local amphitheater in October. I saw them play in front of like a dozen people the last time through so I knew it was part of as package. I looked it up and it's the Rock Allegiance Tour. Then I saw the rest of the line-up:

Rob Zombie, Five Finger Death Punch, Marilyn Manson, Halestorm, In This Moment, Steel Panther, Radkey, Black Map, Mastodon, Gojira, Asking Alexandria, Starset, Bleeker, Greta Van Fleet, Badflower, While She Sleeps, August Burns Red, Beartooth, He Is Legend, Biters, Them Evils and Ded.

Despite the inclusion of a couple of bands I like, I am glad nobody is going to make me see that show.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link

Gnomic Huckabee wrote this on thread Virgin sees space travel uptick as markets tank on board I Love Everything on Jan 24, 2008

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Entrepreneur Richard Branson on Wednesday unveiled a model of the spaceship he hopes will be the first to take paying passengers into space on a regular basis as soon as next year.

Branson, whose Virgin Galactic is charging $200,000 for a short trip into space, said his SpaceShipTwo will start test flights later this year.

The space trips, from a launching pad to be built in New Mexico, should take about two and a half hours, including five minutes of hen fap. They will be suborbital, meaning the spacecraft goes just beyond 62 miles above sea level -- the technical boundary of space -- then glides back to land where it took off without orbiting the Earth.

ALL ABOUT EVE

SpaceShipTwo, and its launch aircraft WhiteKnightTwo, also unveiled on Wednesday, were designed by Burt Rutan, whose SpaceShipOne collected the Ansari X Prize for privately funded space flight in 2004.

The main spacecraft, made entirely of carbon composite materials, will be about 60 feet long, with large, movable feather-shaped vertical fins at the back, which will make reentry into the earth's atmosphere safer, Rutan said. The ship, which will carry six passengers and two pilots, is 60 percent complete, Virgin said.

The spaceship, dubbed "Eve" after Branson's mother, will have a cabin about the size of a big business jet's cabin but with more headroom, Rutan said. It will have 18-inch-diameter windows on every side for better views of the Earth.

Virgin Galactic is only one of several high-profile contenders in the new commercial space race. Others include Europe's EADS Astrium; Blue Origin, started by Amazon.com Inc. founder Jeff Bezos; Space Exploration Technologies Corp (SpaceX), created by PayPal founder Elon Musk; Rocketplane Kistler; and Bigelow Aerospace, a venture aimed at creating space hotels, started by hotelier Robert Bigelow.

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

Emmet wrote this on thread Richard Meltzer - trivializer of the awesome or awesomiser of the trivial? on board I Love Music on Sep 10, 2001

Recently had a conversation around the idea that had Meltzer come along a few (10/15) years later would have probably been a comedian along the lines of Jon Stewart, Conan O'Brien, Louis CK, Al Franken...all extremely smart, extremely opinionated, extremely funny. All as at home making references to "high" ideas as to imitating the sound of a slow fart at a dinner party. Maybe, Meltzer fits in to that context better than of "intellectuals" who don't really matter in the course of day-to-day living. Read Jon Stewart's NAKED PICTURES OF FAMOUS PEOPLE and know that in a way, it's reaching for the same thing as parts of WHORE. Why not? You got something better to do?

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

it was a different era then

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link

but it would end the following day

breastcrawl, Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link

the day Nickelback released their breakthrough album Silver Side Up

ghood ghravie (unregistered), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link

imagine joe rogan posted on ilx

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link

Michael Moore says
Something historic happened yesterday. For the first time since 1877 a member of the House and a member of the Senate stood up together to object to the outcome of a presidential election.

This is the first step on a necessary road toward making sure that everyone is allowed to vote and that every vote is counted (something we did not see in 2000 or 2004) so the next time around ALL of us can be confident, when the election results come in, that they reflect the will of the people, not the whim of mechanical error and human obstruction.

Unlike 2000, when the black members of Congress were told to sit down and shut up, this time a senator had the courage to stand with them, as the law requires, to force Congress to go back to their separate chambers to discuss and debate the issues surrounding the vote count. Senator Barbara Boxer rose to the occasion and stood with Ohio Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones and 29 other Representatives "to cast the light of truth on a flawed system which must be fixed now." The ensuing debate, at times, became a debate over me and all of you and the fact that we would dare make the attempt to protect our democracy.

I was blown away when Representative Maxine Waters took to the floor and said, "Mr. Speaker and members, I dedicate my objection to Ohio's electoral votes to Mr. Michael Moore, the producer of the documentary '9/11' and I thank him for educating the world on the threats to our democracy and the proceedings of this house on the acceptance of the electoral college votes for the 2000 presidential election."

I am honored to the point of embarrassment because it is Maxine Waters who deserves thanks for defending our most basic right, not once, but twice.

Coming out of the gates like this in the very first week of session sent a strong message that we are not going to be pushed around. If the Republicans think the next four years are going to be a cakewalk, they've got another thing coming. With Michigan Representative John Conyers leading the charge, we showed them something not seen in over 120 years. And we're just getting started!

Congratulations to the tens of thousands of you who called, faxed, and e-mailed Barbara Boxer and other senators. You have shown the world, with the strength of your convictions, that the movement toward a truly representative democracy will not be stopped in its tracks. Yesterday's actions will be marked by history books as a turning point for the electoral process and for a Democratic Party that has for too long sat back and taken it on the chin.

― lysander spooner, Saturday, January 8, 2005 11:38 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Friday, 26 October 2018 06:18 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

WTF? #IWasIntoBetoBeforeYouWereIntoBeto

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain) wrote this on thread Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible] on board I Love Everything on May 13, 2017

November 7th is the next uniform election date in Texas. It's an odd year (and how) so that's when Cornyn's Senate seat would likely be voted on. Not sure who the Dems would run... one of the Castro brothers, Wendy Davis, Leticia Van de Putte? Whoever it is will get soundly beaten by the Republican candidate.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, May 12, 2017 11:21 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is going to be massively interesting. I can already hear Abbot licking his chops because this puts Texas Dems in a very awkward position. One of their best prospects, Beto O'Rourke, has already registered candidacy for '18 against Cruz. The Castros have both said they wouldn't challenge him, possibly because they've each been mooted as possibly contenders to unseat Cornyn when he came up for reelection in 2020. Davis and Ven de Putte are possibilities, I guess, but whomever it ends up being will end up having to scramble to put together what will unfortunately be a losing campaign.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 November 2018 05:52 (five years ago) link

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive) wrote this on thread Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left on board I Love Everything on Jan 15, 2018

btw, if you want a really promising up-and-coming young berniecrat to support, I also recommend Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, running for the house in NY-14. Current holder is a shithead machine dem and there's not going to be a serious republican challenger so the primary is the race.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 November 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link

nice one nice one

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 November 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Sarah wrote this on thread Black Books: the funniest show on TV? on board I Love Everything on Mar 14, 2002

The thought of Teachers annoys me in a DO YOU SEE??? manner! IE the teachers ARE AS BAD AS THE PUPILS!! Ya gerrit?? MAD idea! Also the fact that TWATTYBUS was used to advertise it which at first I liked, then after the second time immensley disliked. BLACK BOOKS however is a larf and a harf

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link

djmartian wrote this on thread Football Transfer Rumours Thread 2008 on board I Love Everything on 08-May-2008

Possible targets for Pompey:

John Mensah - cover at Centre-Back for Sol and Distin. Ghana International.

Peter Crouch - to partner Defoe in a new Pompey strike force. However this afternoon Liverpool have apparently slapped a 15 Million price tag on him.

Jonas "Spiderman" Gutierrez - can play Left / Right Wing - Argie at Real Mallorca - been tracked by Pompey for over 2 years

others linked:

Younes "Spurs Signed me for over 7 Million, but Ramos doesn't rate me" Kaboul - Pompey to pick up for a knock down 3 Million? as a squad player

John Arne Riise - Left back. Left Back is an area Pompey need to improve on.

Toulouse midfielder, Moussa Sissoko - 18 year old apparently the new Patrick Viera. Juventus are also interested.

Nathan Dyer - right-winger. Out of contract at the stripy so called Saints

Possible exits for Pompey:

A key player could be sacrificed to bring in finance to land a top striker. There is paper talk of Nico Kranjcar to Arsenal for 12 / 13 Million.

technically the international left but one (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

On tracks like "I'm Finding It Harder to be a Gentleman" and "The Same Boy You've Always Known", the McCartney thing seems very obvious (now you mention it).
Jack White does have a very 'English' way of singing: rounded vowel sounds, very precise pronunciation (you can hear every word of the lyric to "Fell In Love With A Girl", despite the rapid fire delivery). His voice is similar to of any number of English singers - yes Plant, Stewart, a bit of Ray Davies in there perhaps?

Of more recent singers, he reminds me a lot of Gaz Coombes of Supergrass. Perhaps not coincidently, the singles from Supergrass's second LP were the last (new) "guitar rock" records I bought prior to White Blood Cells.

― Jeff W, Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:00 PM (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link

Imagine Dragons is a four-piece rock band based in Las Vegas, Nevada, that formed in 2008. The group's name is an anagram of "Gonad Migraines," their original name that they regretfully discarded. [1]
― the man with 2 BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINZ! (some dude), Sunday, October 28, 2012 4:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 January 2019 20:48 (five years ago) link

Robert Mueller:

The longest, freakiest conspiracy email yet. MUST READ! Opinions please!

clemenza, Saturday, 12 January 2019 21:03 (five years ago) link

classic

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 13 January 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Tadeusz Suchodolski wrote this on thread Space Invaders and Nuclear Destruction: WHo's zooming who? on board I Love Everything on Jul 20, 2001

Anthony and Steve got it exactly right -- this is a giant boondoggle, designed to funnel federal pork to the Bush Mob's pals in the defense industry. (The same way the whole California energy problem is a giant scam designed to enrich Bush Mob Texas oil cronies). Dick Cheney (don't kid yerselves, he and Poppy Bush are the two really running things they won't let Chimpboy do anything important) is that cynical and the Bush Mob is that greedy and arrogant.
Everything Chimpboy's mis-administration does is so fucking transparent.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link


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