brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

I really don't think the function of satire consists in directly shaming these types - maybe more about raising awareness of their shitness amongst the general populace, but really in the end this kind of show has a self-selecting audience so it's about catharsis most of all. So yeah, self-satisfied is probably an accurate charge but taking away the right to schadenfreude seems a bit cruel, especially circa 2012.

In retrospect, 'these people are awful so we need a new kind of politics' seems further away that 'politicians are awful and we should be inherently suspicious of all of them' though.

It's a pretty grim, nihilistic show in the end so I agree it's not likely to influence ppl into taking action, but then fatalism and resignation are such common faults on the left (myself included) that it hardly seems fair to demand that. The second stance you bring up is still pretty much the opposite of Centrist Dad though - the system's fucked, there are no Adults in the Room. The danger there is more about falling into Russel Brand type demagoguery or some brand of libertarianism, both of which I think Ianucci the interview subject would be very quick to disavow.

I was using a deliberately limited Swiftesque definition of satire but tbh I kinda wish a lot of alleged comedians would do too

brb, loading up on ancient internet beef

spectator podcast talking up the prospects of jeremy hunt (!) as next chancellor. so that's him, andrea leadsom, and michael gove being floated so far

lol, imagine the Conservative party still taking Michael Gove seriously as a contender for any position in cabinet.

Apparently “Let me be clear" is developing into May's new S+S and she said it numerous times at PMQT today.

She's always said that tbh.

Like Blair's or Straw's and every other lawyerly NuLab cunt's "In respect of..."

let me be clear was obama's thing too

(the way i posted and explained the splintered sunrise/jon anderson article linked just upthread makes it seem like it's an unrelated tangent to the ttoi discussion but i actually think it's germane)

― mark s, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 15:42 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Germane? What do you think this is a fuckin' regency costume drama? It's a web forum not a fuckin Jane Austen novel ...etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/25/nhs-to-pilot-airbnb-type-scheme-for-patients-recovering-from-surgery?CMP=share_btn_tw
RIP NHS + The Onion

the big society is back!

At least people now have the short term option of self-mutilation to stave off homelessness for an extra few weeks #progressive

(additional to the splintered sunrise post, bcz i forgot this earlier: for some reason at some point he shuttered the splintered sunrise blog and started a new one, SOVIET GOONBOY: and that's actually where the bulk of the internet beef abt the swp split is)

"Let me be clear" was a Cameronism, he did it all the time.

https://www.uglyducklingpresse.org/wp/CatalogAdmin/uploads/LetMeBeClear_GIANT.jpg

Let Me Be Clear

Shut down moron America—
Republican philosophy functionally
obsolete. This is a conservative issue.
We are moving. In reverse.
(Paid in Bangladesh.)
Not to worry millionaires—tax breaks!

Chambers of Commerce
Chambers of Congress

Inflation dropped education.

People are wasting,
rotting product,
infrastructure.

It is just not good enough.

the cameronic 'let me be clear' is perfect in its assertive evasiveness, that insistence that you're being given something even as a veil is thrown over the stuff you actually want

There's been a lot of "we've been very clear on this" this decade along with the quintessential "Look..."

Let Me Be Clear seems to be the standard precursor of some more bullshit obfuscation by someone who is an habitually dishonest person, or Robbie Savage before he launches into another braindead challop on 5 live.

free speech on campus: important, but not as important as sticking right up johnny eu

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNDl7eCW4AAT26i.jpg

I've experienced a reasonable amount of pro-Brexit bias in the pub, the street, the Daily Mail etc.

do you think I should report it?

"There's been a lot of "we've been very clear on this" this decade along with the quintessential "Look..."

― nashwan, "

Irish football pundits and Listen

. "but Listen, these boys are no mugs"

are universities supposed to have a "non-biased" view on things?

DImbleby giving Jacob Rees Mogg the floor basically... whenever he wants it.

emma barnett to the rescue please.

(she was in his face yesterday morning on r5)

Both Jonathan + David regularly stand down when Mogg talks. More Gulags please!

Deferential.

This is JRM's pitch for PM and I have to say that he is playing very well. The Cunt.

Jacob Rees-Mogg says that women who seek abortion after rape are committing a “second wrong” - @zoe_beaty https://t.co/MI1uVvpCUX pic.twitter.com/piinX3n3fN

— The Pool (@thepooluk) October 26, 2017

The first wrong they committed is being raped.

That is very clearly not what he is saying there.

I mean, obviously fuck JRG and particularly fuck what he's saying there, but Jesus, get one reading comprehension.

*JRM

That's true enough. Thanks Andrew. I think. Maybe tone down the rudeness a notch.

Actually never mind, you're right.

Bah, no I'm sorry now.

The fault is mine for taking that tweet at face value and posting it without even reading it.

I assume what he's really saying there is "big knockers".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/25/memo-to-michael-bloomberg-heres-the-simple-reason-britain-voted-for-brexit

so, phil harrison voted for brexit because its shit where he lives, and wants it to be shit everywhere.

Phil otm

we've been here enough times - people vote for dumb reasons, most people tbh, but if the status quo sucks and you get a straight vote "more of the same y/n?" then it is - not surprising - when people vote n, however bad their told n is by the people invested in the status quo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/01/eu_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq7bWQfKLf2dhrSxHZc33L6sliDHwMZqfureAA8aKY4fE.png?imwidth=1400
Interesting map on EU funding here. Naturally the Tory government will match the EU funding shit places are current recipients of!

and yeah that leads countries to terrible places but the last thing I'm inclined to blame for that is the people who are ready to blindly gamble on anything that might make their lives different to what they are

so tycoons, technocrats, the never-impoverished calling you by implication stupid, this is not a tactic to win hearts and minds

yes there were also loads of people who voted Brexit because they are racist/xenophobic/watch a lot of WWII documentaries on Yesterday, and that set and the nation of shopkeepers and the pettiest of the bourgeoisie all overlap with the marginalized too but the point stands that there's nothing more grating to some ears - my ears - than the sound of centrist Dads lecturing us on why we should be happy for our gruel allowance

otm

I totally agree, but still think these Yesterday watchers will be disappointed when it is The Hunger Marches they get to experience rather than Blitz Spirit.

Bloomberg was bleating about liberal bias and censorship in US colleges on his own site the other week so wgaf.

xp

some of them will but we'll be warm in the glow of our own being rightness by then

Regardless on your perspective on Brexit, you'd have to have an incredibly skewed perspective to look at the Britain of the last 10 or so years and conclude that it was "doing so well". That blindness is kinda why this is all happening in the first place.

There's a lot of enemy-of-my-enemy bollocks going on right now though, exhibit a being the attempt to recast George Osborne as some kind of centrist liberal.

I think that kind of guff speaks to where the self-professed centrist liberals' real priorities lie tbh

let's not forget the mendacity, bad faith and outright lying that characterised both sides of the campaign, but Leave in particular. If we collectively have made a bad choice (and FWIW I think we have), it's in large part because of the lies told by a number of very prominent public figures. To some extent we get the politicians we deserve, but the Brexit referendum was particularly open to being exploited by the likes of Farage obviously but also the Banks and Johnsons of this world, leaving us in the mess we're now in. The hypocrisy and venality of those who lied to make Brexit a reality should never be forgotten. Then of course there's the irresponsibility of "Call me Dave" and co.

I could go on, and this is all nothing new, but there are guilty people out there and they aren't the Little Englanders who, however misguidedly, thought they were "doing the right thing".