funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

O = bassdrum
- = unused beat
X = snare

i fear i have written both wrong tho, that would be REALLY embarrassing

oh-- then forget i quoted you. i've listened to a bunch of the Crazy Cousinz mixes, some donaeo, a lot of Kyla's stuff....

I guess that it just comes back to one of my original points, which is that a lot of this UK funky stuff is quite good, but it isn't anything new-- the same sonic pallettes and rhythm structures have been used for years and years...I mean, an example-- the excellent Black Coffee track above is similar structurally to a great number of MAW productions. that isn't knocking it, but i feel like the 'THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY' pronouncements that some are bandying about are just people looking to claim something as revolutionary. it's dance music, it's for people to dance and fuck to-- that's pretty elemental, and it all just depends on what one wants to dance and fuck to. i'd readily dance to some of this uk funky, but i'd definitely rather dance to a live set from an Ibadan producer like Tiger Stripes or almost ANY Strictly producer-- just a preference.

now i take my leave-- tho this thread has been illuminating. thanks, tim, for not being a jerk, and i'm sorry if i was one at times. my american attitude, no doubt.

It's just that the tracks you're talking about are almost certainly weighted down at the house-sounding end of the scene.

By way of comparison, Mos' Wanted's tracks on his myspace page - check "Different Lekstrix" and "Frozen" in particular - share zero in common with ibadan/strictly. The same applies for Lil Silva. And they're just two examples among many.

As someone who also loves Ibadan and Strictly Rhythm I can say this confidently!

Not that I'm saying UK funky has to be distanced from US house to be good or interesting, but you're notion of what the scene is comprised of seems way off base to me.

argh your notion your notion your notion

Okay-- will listen later today, on the bus! thx.

'Different Lekstrix' reminds me of Ellen Allien or some other boppin' German techno (think this comparison has come up before with some other stuff?)

In other news, the Ill Blu remix is Shystie's "Pull It" is fab.

Also oi does anyone know that track Mak 10 plays with what sound like the bass riffs from Donaeo's "Bounce" and a cut-up male vocal going (what sounds like) "Getongetongetit!"??

Yeah, that stuff is rather different, though from the (disappointingly short!) Lil Silva clips, I think I like this stuff-- grime and soca beats with dirty Detroit tech synths. I think I'm gonna go surfing for some of his stuff.

Yeah, now I can understand a bit more of the talk, Tim. I still don't think it is revolutionary, but the Lil Silva and Mos Wanted stuff is clearly completely unconnected to MAW and Ibadan...so thanks.

i'm sure this right but in my head the dominant rhythmic signifier of funky (O--XO-X-) is pretty much as clear as that of 2 step (O-X--O-X) tho there probably are more variations within the former (sorry any excuse to write 4 beat drum patterns using O, X and -)

The thing is that the rhythms in funky are much more flexible than that. I'd even say that very few funky tunes follow that simple soca/reggaeton pattern. "Do You Mind" for one, but most of the tunes that have followed have used more complex drumbeats with any variety of syncopated snare patterns over a 4/4, or maybe not. I don't think it can be claimed that there is one dominant rhythmic pattern. When I get home I'll post a few different funky drumbeats to illustrate.

from looking at some of the analysis in this post, you lot can never talk shit about people posting on dissensus again.

haha otm

Mak 10 & Shantie ruling my life atm

My post was pretty standard naval gazing on my part, and I'm 80% sure r|t|c is joking with all that schizoanalysis talk.

I wanted to mention that I totally disagree with the idea that the artist is the authority on their own work. k-punk's idea of "agents of the nuum" sounds dicky but I think it's basically correct to say that artists are rarely the best people to explain the quality and the functioning of their own work - being a good musician doesn't automatically make you a good critic, even a good self-critic.

After a couple of years of being a music critic I decided I no longer wanted to do artist interviews because 4 out of 5 artists will have really dispiriting or at the very least boring takes on their own music. I got sick of pretending I wasn't annoyed by it, and feeling like the quality of my articles was being dragged down by dubious "insights" provided by the subject matter.

A really good example was interviewing Frankie Knuckles: he dismissed all his pre-90s output as soulless machine crap...

Lex the fact that you skipped some of the conference in order to speak to Tori Amos (whose explanations usually detract from the enjoyment of whatever song she's talking about) should make this obvious!

DJs are often better interviewees in this regard because they spend a lot of time thinking about other people's records and how they fit into a context - in some senses a DJ set is a lot like a thinkpiece. This supports (or is supported by) chuck eddy's contention that music critics aren't frustrated wannabe musicians so much as frustrated wannabe DJs.

Certainly with dance music, the intentions of the author or the context of production will rarely have any direct bearing on how the music is experienced in its primary states of reception (be it on the dancefloor or in the car or wherever). It's nice to read about the backstory for "Love Dub" but that has no bearing on whether it works as a track, or how it works as a track.

hah tim, the schizo was a joke insofar as i don't really hold the bestest grasp of the term, yeah (does anyone?) - but my intentions were entirely genuine (as indeed throughout) in the sense that from what little i've read i do actually think it could be a useful text within the sphere of this particular parlour game ("within reason", heh); this was in reply to reynolds, after all. and whilst i was obviously having myself a little stylistic promenade there (cronenberg quote 4 the tru junglist intro clearly!), quite why you schoolmarmishly dismiss that one paragraph - and not uh, the one with the esemplastic modelised processuality or anything - as "performance" probably sez more about you & yours than it does about me, no?

not to mention you then going on to begin to address the funky "state of mind" anyway.

also table is the table, i hope tim reasoning with you on a track by track basis doesn't just make you transfer over your lust of the "revolutionary" over to a different strand of funky that you happen to be less familiar with - i'm not saying some tracks aren't original and excellent and all, but the key thing here is how old, new, borrowed and blue are all uncannily commingling now under one cognitive flag so to speak.

A really good example was interviewing Frankie Knuckles: he dismissed all his pre-90s output as soulless machine crap...

daaaamn

yeah wtf

r|t|c I don't want to schoolmarmishly dismiss your schizoanalysis, but you did start that bit with "simplistically speaking"!

"i hope tim reasoning with you on a track by track basis doesn't just make you transfer over your lust of the "revolutionary" over to a different strand of funky that you happen to be less familiar with - i'm not saying some tracks aren't original and excellent and all, but the key thing here is how old, new, borrowed and blue are all uncannily commingling now under one cognitive flag so to speak."

Yes, this is v. important. I actually feel a bit hypocritical saying "go check out Lil Silva!" because I don't like that attitude when it's expressed as e.g. "most UK funky is uninteresting vocal house crap but go check out Lil' Silva!" But when you're trying to convert outsiders you have to start somewhere.

what is the track(s) used on migraine skank? or who produced it if its not lifted from something else? i dont like the beat switch personally.

that el-b song on footlooses show is great btw.

Most of the backing track on "Migraine Skank" is DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic" (possibly a remix or dub of same, I can't remember precisely), pitched up slightly I think - the switch in the middle is to Hard House Banton's "Sirens".

i dunno why i never recognise sirens. i even have the 12".

It's kinda generic in the best possible way.

I just downloaded a Scotty D and Smoothie T set from January, hopefully containing lots of Scotty D dubs. I'm excited.

Will report back with a link if any good.

I want to hear more stuff like Fuzzy Logik's "Work the love" where the traditional house elements come through really strongly but underpinned by funky's more sinuous rhythms and lurching grime bass. In general more like MA1's april 18th set on Rinse, but more UK (that mix is full of US stuff). The overall vibe is much more laidback than a typical Nasty set but with much richer sonics.

Any recommendations?

hot new Mak 10/Shantie mix

some of the tracks on this mix are sick but sonically it's unbearably clipping and overdriven for ages arrrgh!

I like the first tune about champagne receptions.

arf.

Check Dark Night's "Who Said" and "Brpken Beats"

http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/106524/dark/nightwhat's/your/name/+/who/said
http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/104944/dark/knightreasons/broken/beats

Massive tunes, but more pertinently, this is basically 2-step isn't it? "Broken Beats" actually is more like breakbeat garage at its absolutely best, halfway between Zed Bias and Toasty maybe.

Heatwave got Capleton, Vybz, and a couple others to jump on "Party Hard"

http://www.theheatwave.co.uk/music/item/donaeoandfriends-partyharder/

apparently Donaeo has an album coming on June 8th

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/food/_notes/donaeo-sleeve.jpg

Tracklisting:

01 - Riot Music
02 - Devil In A Blue Dress
03 - Watching Her Move
04 - Because I'm Strong
05 - I
06 - Party Hard
07 - African Warrior
08 - Forbidden Fruit
09 - Mind Your Business
10 - Love Music
11 - Be Mine
12 - When You're Alone

Bonus tracks:

13 - Over You
14 - Devil in a Blue Dress 2

interesting

his rmx of 'heads shoulders knees n toes' pwns all

I wish the album would have the version of "Party Hard" w/ Princess

"I want to hear more stuff like Fuzzy Logik's "Work the love" where the traditional house elements come through really strongly but underpinned by funky's more sinuous rhythms and lurching grime bass. In general more like MA1's april 18th set on Rinse, but more UK (that mix is full of US stuff). The overall vibe is much more laidback than a typical Nasty set but with much richer sonics."

jacob, I love this Dubplate Wonder set from January, and it may be close to what you're looking for:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4dxgmo

But my favourite thing right now is Big Kidd Productions' "Boom Ting":

http://www.uk-funky.com/ukfunky_previews_124.htm

The beats on this are massive.

Heatwave set on rinse fm blog - first thirty minutes are UK funky.

So good it makes me want to ;_;

OMG: Puppet Master- Inflation Master Remix

Mix straight into it from "Inflation" (as per Footloose's 17 May show) and it's like the funky equivalent of, i dunno, the first three tracks on Underworld's second album.

anyone ever find a non-radio rip of seany b 'lift me up'

i know i sound like a broken record but

think it only exists in ur mind by now dude. myspace him maybe?

ayo talking of sounding like a broken record did we ever identify WAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNGWAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNGWAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNG?? u know the one i mean

Do you mean the Bongo Jam remix? It's by L-Vis 1990 & Bok Bok.

The Fantastic 4 (Ill Blu, Roska, Scratcha DVA and D-Malice) set on Rinse FM blog is HEAVY. Lots of ravey and electroic overtones. Fans of Jalla's "Turbulence" should check it.

seriously people.

Back once again (with big selections and dodgy mixing haha).... quick rushed one seeing as i was bored today....

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Tracklist:
Black Coffee - Turn Me On
Fingaprint - Nighttime In July
Addictive - Domino Effect
Perempay N Dee - Be Your Girl (Soulful Mix)
Yonurican - Boriken Soul
Enrique Benitez ft Mia Mendez - Cooking
Crazy Cousinz - Attract
Mj Cole ft Digga - Gotta Have It (Mj's Funky Dub)
Ill Blu - Say Yes
Seany B - Stompa
Funky Soldiers feat. Kaysee - Thankful
Fuzzy Logic - Your Man
Garrison Hawk - Keep On Dancing (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Zed Bias ft Jenna G - Fly
Sticky - The Fugitive Riddem
Lil Silva Vs Addictive - Drama
Ikane Ft. Xtine - Let You Know
Mt Mathz - IAP
Madslinky ft Jenna G - Something Extra
Roska - Elevated Levels
Sophia Romain - Burning Up
Mighty Moe - Ride Again
Monk & Prof Ft Shea Soul - Superman
N10-Tainment - Funk Lockdown
S-Tee - Bran Funk
Major Notes & Koni ft General Levy - Meet Me On The Dancefloor
Frisco - Eyes On You
Donaeo - Watching Her Move

Download (Split Tracks):
RS: http://rapidshare.com/files/242777683/FAZE-SUMMER_FUNK_09_MIX_CD.zip
SS : http://www.sendspace.com/file/4o8p51
Zshare : http://www.zshare.net/download/61163893ce7e5c05/

Single Stream:
zShare: http://www.zshare.net/audio/61157682e7a5b171/

That looks great faze!

Also, stop press - Ill Blu remix of Shystie's "Pull It Wheel It" and also his "Time To Get Nasty" go on sale at ukfunky.com on Monday. These are TUNES, okay.

http://www.uk-funky.com/ukfunky_previews_114.htm

cant stand that black coffee track. heard some older marcus nasty show on rinse this afternoon as a repeat. i think it was with mak 10. they were doing a crazy cousins competition during it. anyone know what date thats from? was seriously good.

listening to your mix now faze - this sophia romain track is BIG!

I can't quite work out whether I love that Madslinky track or I'm faintly appalled by the consequences of funky drifting closer to actual funk.

Matt I haven't listened to the mix yet but Maddslinky is a broken beat-ish outfit by Zed Bias, so it probably doesn't reflect anything about funky per se.