brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Just found a General Election candidate's DrownedInSound forum username from 2005.

— Doyle Harcavy (@ichlugebullets) June 7, 2017

lol

#portentous

… then at last they delved for the pathologically cryptic, and my election hopes blinked out of existence

lol!

The fascists took over Friends United, CB Radio AND DrownedInSound's forum with consummate ease in this era:(

Fiends Reunited I meant.

a scandal involving a Labour MP being outed as having made problematic posts to Drowned in Sound in the mid 2000s - this is making me feel old

― soref, Monday, October 23, 2017 11:44 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's par for the course with that site though, isn't it?

It’s improved in later years, according to Indie Sources.

100% passantino's tweet made this happen. Someone will have seen it and made notes, saving it for future use, to be shunted to a right wing drop-box like guido fuckwit at the appropriate time.

Anyway, before I take a position on the appropriate handling of this by the party I need to know, is this guy One of Us, or a Traitor Melt Chicken Coup Slug?

Prediction for 2020 and beyond: widespread revival of CB radio, as more and more ppl see benefit of having their unhinged and offensive babbling disappear into the ether rather than sitting around on servers for all time and either ruining your life when it emerges you called robbie savage a 'gaywad' on a football message board in 2002, or at best make you look stupid to cephalopod digital archaeologists in the 44th century

Maybe idk ppl* will chill out about things ppl said at some stage idk

*Not ppl on the left obv lol

Paul Staines starting a row about a lefty politician because of ancient comments on a message board is some ridiculous bullshit when considering the sorts of comments allowed BTL on any Guido post in 2017. Maybe clean up his own mess before weighing in? It all strikes me as a bit stone—>!glass house.

What a joke. Phillip Davies is on that committee as well..

Jared has forgotten the good habits from msg boards, namely the following:

- always attack
- if asked for an apology attack again, double the fuck down
- never log off until you are banned by the fascist mods

Yes the comments are horrible but he apologised. That's it. He should've attacked Guido back and tried to make ppl ashamed to even cite that trash.

The disappointing net result of this is there is now one less disabled MP on the equality committee that features many white Tories + Jess Phillips. There is probably tons much more pertinent dirt you could dig up on Phillip Davies*, about his unsuitability to be anywhere near an equality commission.

*xp'ed by xyzzzz on Davies!

for some reason this thread won't load for me on zing! anyone else having that problem? it's only been the last day or so and every other thread loads fine.

are you a Corbynista y/n?

tbh whatever the answer is i'm gonna do a lazy "that's why you're blocked" post

i'll FP myself now

done it for you, NV.

thanks jed

i would never. i'm a sturgeonista anyway.

Lol, hearing that many of the comments on this on greedo fawkes have been on the lines of 'yeah... he's right, can't fault him'

I see Jo Johnson is invoking the "Pete Townsend defence" over the Chris Heaton-Harris letter, lol of course it was research for a book you are writing.

I'm having the same problem as jed_

Man alive, Dom claims a scalp

(zing should work again)

Two posts in a row work there

lol

why are the tories still talking about things labour did like a decade ago? do they really think this fools anyone? it's fucking pathetic.

i'm sure if they'd achieved anything of any note they'd be talking about that instead but uh

it worked for a surprisingly long time tbf

("worked")

expanding tracer's point: the tory model of controlling the conversation -- which nu-lab very much bought into -- was really perfected* only a little over a decade ago and worked very effectively for nearly a decade: the fact that the mainstream newspapers (all of them) have lost a lot of their salience (and readership) in the last couple of years is hard for ppl employed at the heart of them to get their heads around (and ditto pols who've spent their entire adult lives assuming this is the only lever you need to tug)

add to this the reverence for the US as a model of political agitation and control -- which nu-lab centrism also very much bought into, bcz lol the west wing -- elides with the US-UK puke-funnel that gave us gw33do as our own little drudge-alike and key dark-arts major domo

you'd think the ineffectiveness of everything thrown at corbyn during the election would tell its tale, but as we know (for a variety of systemic and cultural reasons) UK conservatives have been strikingly useless reproducing themselves and their values among the young**

*in the 80s and 90s, for example, the bbc still provided a genuine if dwindling counter-weight (of course it was blair and campbell that set the course for its final defanging, when they got greg dyke removed as DG so as to prosecute the iraq war w/o mainstream dissent)
**not to be too complacent, but the ineptness here is on a wildly different level than the equivalent in the US (where the demographic argument has been being made for more than a decade without every really manifesting: basically the US right *is* reproducing itself)

bcz lol the west wing

honestly the west wing might be the worst thing to happen to politics in the last 20 years or so, aaron sorkin should be executed for crimes against humanity

'the west wing: worse than 9/11', rants bizarro gazzara in extraordinary outburst on niche discussion board ilxor dot com

i was going to argue that WW is a handily concentrated depiction of the deluded way a certain sub-class saw (and still sees) politics as it (they believe) is and should be, whether or not it's intended as eviscerating satire (which it really primarily isn't: it's more like a fantasy)

but the thick of it IS intended as eviscerating satire and i'm not convinced that's been good for UK politics either

WW is pretty much Centrist Dad Fantasy Hour

Blaming the previous administration works for the duration of one Parliament, after which the country expects you to have got your shit together. Blair could get away with blaming the Tories until about 2001, when Labour became the previous administration as well as the current one. The Tories weren't able to make it stick from 2015 onwards, which was about the time the consensus around austerity fell apart.

WW is pretty much Centrist Dad Fantasy Hour

Glad I've never seen it then.

Also doesn't stick bcz "last lab govt" doesn't apply to the current leadership, and hasn't done since 2015.

When I was going through my "binge every g'damn US series - even the shite ones" period a few years back, I tried the West Wing and decided life was too short after 5 minutes into the first ep. There is something very "last lab govt" about Iannucci, he makes my skin crawl tbh.

Yes, his political opinions have negatively affected my enjoyment of both Veep and The Thick Of It tbh, which says more about me than it does about him, but the pervasive air of cynicism and contempt for politics seems more of a problem now that he has firmly cemented himself as a Sensible Centrist.

There was this point where politicians started using the phrase "omnishambles" with a straight face that you realised they just didn't really get what was being satirised about them.

TTOI at least has the appropriate level of contempt for conviction-free careerist politicians

OK so THIS is going over old ground, obv (it's from aug 2016, a life-time ago), but it's good IMO first on how labour got where it did in the 90s and how it has been able to move away from this more recently (in systemic terms, rather than "bad ppl took and then lost control")

I only happened on it bcz marko attila hoare no less just replied to a tweet of mine from this august: viz "who was SPLINTERED SUNRISE* and what became of him?"

A: acc. MAH his name is jon anderson** and he quit the internet when this became known

*(which i wanted to know bcz up to c.2013 splinty was the excellent source of gossip -- often very funny, generally very astute -- abt the absolute state of the SWP *as well as being* a source of ditto in the world of institutional catholicism… he was quite unusual IME at least in eng-lang terms*** in combining adherence to the precepts of both revolutionary socialism AND traditional some wd say reactionary catholicism. if you care abt either -- i advise you not to but you may -- he is worth googling, if only to load up on ancient internet beef)
**not that one tho it may explain the "sunrise" part of his internet nom de guerre
***(important caveat: he is irish -- born and based in the republic -- hence no doubt why he writes so well)

"the excellent source" sounds weird bcz i meant to write "an excellent source" -- but actually, as well as being excellent, he was the ONLY source of the best kind of gossip (= true AND telling AND funny)

the pervasive air of cynicism and contempt for politics seems more of a problem now that he has firmly cemented himself as a Sensible Centrist.

Thing is, the era of UK politics Ianucci covered is exactly the time of the Sensible Centrists. The fact that this is his ideology as well is I agree confusing but I think TOI is cynical entirely about the values of Nu Labour and the Cameron-era tories; it's not cynical about idealists, it's cynical about the middling managerial style of politics where both parties meet at the centre. The show coming back to try to tackle Corbyn would be entirely disastrous I think, despite Corbz's early years in particular being full of TOI situations, because Corbyn just doesn't fit into what Ianucci's tackling; neither do the Tories under May, I reckogn.

Like, Corbyn succeeds by refusing to be a part of the structures <i>The Thick Of It</i> mocks; the fact that Ianucci would prefer the ppl he's mocking over him doesn't dilute that the show's basically OTM about them.

As for whether the show's been good for UK politics - I don't think any show ever has been, really, but I'll still take a "these are all terrible people, stay away" over the WW's "actually government is a great and noble pursuit".

I did learn today that Thatcher got asked where she'd be in the event of a nuclear war on 80's kid's show Sunday Superstore, which could be seen as having had a good effect on British politics. But then she still won anyway.

That led directly to Maggiez Matez which was a front to assimilate the youth and harvest their organs for senior Tory use in the event of nukage.