Sequels that are better than the first ones.

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and Kirk is so unworthy of the hate, in the same way a man or woman we used to love now looks...pathetic.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link

it should be added that it's also a very, very good idea for a movie. i can't think of a better tie-in to a previous storyline, the way it picks up the thread.

it also reminds how bereft of ideas Star Trek: Into Darkness is.

nomar, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

meaning a storyline that has been seemingly long-discarded and forgotten, it's just such a clever device albeit very simple on the surface.

nomar, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link

TOS is littered with those kinds of potential plot threads

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link

so many episodes where they come down and fuck up a planet and then are like "gee, who knows what this place will be like 100 years from now?" or similar

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

and Kirk is so unworthy of the hate

the cast of TOS might disagree

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link

I think Raiders is the better movie, but in many ways Temple of Doom feels like the movie that Spielberg and Lucas didn't have the nerve to make the first time around. It's a direct homage to the B serials they're sending up, with all of the racism and tastelessness in tact. I mean, Spielberg ends Raiders with a Citizen Kane homage, fer Christ's sakes!

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link

Exorcist 2 fucking sucks the only good thing about it is the Morricone theme and the Snakefinger cover of the Morricone theme. I like the song in Shock Treatment better than Rocky Horror but I'm sure that's been mention itt.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link

songs*

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link

Boorman seems to think it sucks too but the visual excess in the thing is a wonder to behold, not to mention the Burton excess. I won't defend it as a good movie.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link

as i pointed out upon re-seeing it in a theater this past summer, Raiders swipes two of its biggest stunts from Stagecoach and doesn't really improve on em.

As for Godfather II, Coppola said his m.o. was "I wanted to punish Michael," so I think it plays better with Catholics.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

Raiders swipes two of its biggest stunts from Stagecoach

I assume the dragged-under-the-moving-car one is one, what's the other?

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link

Indy jumps from one vehicle to another in that same chase, I think? or is it horses? anyway it's much like Yakima Canutt (doubling for John Wayne) sequentially leaping horses.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

yeah but Nazis

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

If you're gonna steal, steal from the best, etc.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link

Did not realize Nazis directed Stagecoach, tbh.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link

Raiders is alright, but as with several Coen Bros films most impresses people who never saw the antecedents.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

Nah, I love Stagecoach and Raiders for other reasons, and besides Spielberg pays tribute to Ford by taking what he learned and putting it in a new context. It's true that the discovery of the Ark and the final Ark-going-apeshit scene have a grandeur missing in the other Indy films. And Belloq's drunk scenes with Marion compensate for his being a rather pallid villain.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link

I think I'd call Aparajito the best film sequel. Not that it's better than the first or third films, but it stands on its own as a work of art and probably makes perfect sense seen in isolation from the others.

jmm, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link

Boxer's Omen is way way way better than Bewitched.

I like Once Upon A Time In China 2 and 3 better than the original.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link

Exorcist 3 >>>>>>> Exorcist 2 btw

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link

Well, yeah.

I'd have much more time for an 'Exorcist 3 > Exorcist 1' argument than the insane 'Exorcist 2 > Exorcist 1 (or much of anything)' argument Alfred has put forward.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link

On the horror front, I have basically zero time for any of the Child's Play films with 'Child's Play' in the title but I think all of the subsequent Child's Play films with 'Chucky' in the title are good-to-great.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link

I was 13 when Raiders came out, I hadn't seen the antecedents!

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link

well Morbius was 13 when Stagecoach came out, so you can understand why he feels this way

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right


I was only skimming these posts and I read this but in my mind I got it mixed up with problem child

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link

(& I was like yep that looks like a brad opinion, checks out)

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link

Rocky iii ✓✓✓✓✓✓✓

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link

Wrath Of Khan was my first ever in-cinema experience of looking at my watch at the end credits and being flatly baffled as to where 2 hours had gone. i don't just mean 'oh it flies by!' i mean literally dumbstruck and perplexed that time could even move so fast. i was only a kid but even today it seems to have incredible pacing, i think partly it's because Khan actually takes a time (half an hour maybe?) before he even rocks up. it's a *masterpiece* of structure.

piscesx, Monday, 23 October 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:24 (six years ago) link

Iron Man 3 is much more fun the first two, how did it get to be divisive? Is it the Kingsley stuff?

I think a lot of people have issue with that plot twist, yeah - I personally thought it was great, the idea of a 'created enemy' fascinates me and is something I can totally buy if it is done well (which I thought it was here).
In this case, there will always be comic book fans who are disappointed that they didn't get the villain closer to the source material. (For those, there's a must-see one-shot special with Kingsley called All Hail The King, which is included on the Thor 2 Blu-ray.)
But I think a problem for many was that Guy Pearce's Aldritch Killian wasn't an impressive enough main villain.

I've also more than once heard people having problems with the final battle, for being too CGI-heavy and/or because Tony couldn't get access to his armor for so long, his entire house is destroyed and then is suddenly and conveniently able to call on an armor-army from an undamaged storage section in the end. But he needed to re-establish contact beforehand & the storage was pretty much a vault, I personally don't doubt that he couldn't have done so earlier.

I love the movie and I personally even prefer it over the first Iron Man, I've seen acclaim, but I know I've often seen people list it low as well.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:51 (six years ago) link

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:46 (six years ago) link

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

take it to the controversial opinions thread buddy

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

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pplains, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link

daniel dild-shoeis to thread

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link

Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link

PB2 is the one where Junior says "Can we go home now? These people are dicks" and so is clearly the best

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link

also I can't remember which one they overkill the "Bad to the Bone" hook in, that's p great

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link

also Gilbert Gottfried's character becomes a maniacal dentist

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link

After the Thin Man

I must protest; the Thin Man franchise is my go-to example of diminishing returns.

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

The second one is the best iirc

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link

I've never seen any of the Problem Child films (and probably never will), but the episode of Gilbert Gottfried's podcast with the writers of those films (Scott Alexander and
Larry Karaszewski--who would go on to write Ed Wood and The People vs. Larry Flynt) has some great behinds-the-scenes stuff on how the second film in that series, in particular, came to be.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

gremlins 2

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link

yes for real even though Gremlins 1 is a classic Gremlins 2 is so good

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link


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