he's play-acting imo, and I keep hammering on it, but I think the facade cracks by the end
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
hammering on the point, that is, not a fictional character's facade :)
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
he has some skills but he also seems to take credit, at least in his mind, for stuff that bill does. like in the last episode he's talking about how his gross sex talk helped catch the rapist/murderer, and bill points out rightly that it was him noticing the cut tree limbs that led to the guy being brought in in the first place. they wouldn't have caught the brother/sister/brother-in-law team unless the cop had identified the sister's baby as a weak point and used it to get her to confess. etc. etc. he credits everything to their very basic analysis knowledge when basic police work is still getting most of the work done. ugh. he's annoying.
― na (NA), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link
holden is good at interviewing but he would never actually catch any bad guys on his own. also his interview techniques are built on leading and coercing suspects who they go in assuming are guilty, as debbie points out. he doesn't have any actual investigative skills.
― na (NA), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
you're right that noticing the cut trees found the rapist but if you remember he aced the polygraph and was going to go free unless they convinced him to confess. staging the interrogation and some of the gross talk was 100% essential to actually getting a confession out of the guy. it's not /just/ the profiling work - there's real detective work as well. but these local police stations don't really need the FBI to teach them how to follow basic leads. they need them for the experimental profiling stuff. and imo it has been essential.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
and like the brother/sister/brother-in-law team the local cops weren't investigating them at all bc they found the crying sincere and felt bad for the fiancee. it wasn't until the fbi came in and really followed their hunch (that the crying was bogus) that they were really able to drill into the case.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
holden just sucks
― na (NA), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
he's trying too hard, working a little bit above his skill level
he never takes off the fbi man pants, even when he's off the job. that's how hard he's trying.
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
booo
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
I love stuff like this
https://t.co/MU7U33DK05— Rob Savage (@DirRobSavage) October 24, 2017
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:44 (six years ago) link
^ Breakdown reel showcasing David Fincher's invisible visual effects in the Netflix Original Series Mindhunter.
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:45 (six years ago) link
huh, that's great - i did find myself wondering where they'd found so many pristine vintage tvs!
― clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:55 (six years ago) link
cats are mimicking human babies when they do that
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:27 (six years ago) link
my favorite Groff-ismI CAN SEE THAT YOU’RE NAKEDI CAN SEE THAT YOU’RE .. cold
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:49 (six years ago) link
i enjoy his comedic timing
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:50 (six years ago) link
i keep thinking about the comment that one of the killers makes that the urge to kill is like the urge to sneeze - creepy as fuck and distressingly relatable
― clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 11:06 (six years ago) link
cats mimick their own kitten vocalizations for life if they're raised by people, but afaik it has nothing to do with human babies. feral cats tend to not vocalize a lot.
― mh, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
― mh, Wednesday, October 25, 2017
no argument with that
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 26 October 2017 03:50 (six years ago) link
we finally knocked out S1 so I'm ready for this thread
item #1: cmd-F "kristoff" 0 results; come on, nerds
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
<3 kristoff
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/mindhunters-deft-commentary-on-toxic-masculinity.html
― Mhm Female (Eazy), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
^^^ dind ding man that is A+
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
Watching this again. The writing is fantastic, but the direction is even better.
I love the first meeting between Holden and Debbie meet in the bar, when both characters realize the other is smarter than they assumed. It gets very dense, moving quickly to a discussion of Durkheim's theory of labeling.
Sounds pretentious, right? But rather than submitting us to this directly, Fincher moves the conversation into a crowded bar, creating an excuse to use subtitles. This permits viewers to *read* the concepts and reflect on them, rather than *hear* them from actors and dismiss them on instinct.
I call that smart, functional directing.
― it me, Monday, 13 November 2017 05:46 (six years ago) link
i found the technical aspects of this show more enjoyable than the overall experience. i mean, i didn't know we'd have to wait til next year for the BTK thing to go anywhere. this is the first show i've watched in its entirety in a year and kinda wish i'd chosen something else, but i'm def a sucker for this thing.
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 05:58 (six years ago) link
it will be a true crime if Jack Erdie doesn't win something for the Speck portrayal. just mesmerising.
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 07:10 (six years ago) link
i think if anyone wins anything it'll be Cameron Britton, and well-deserved too. but you're right about Jack Erdie.
probably because this is a fact-based show, they have a group of killers who are all very different in demeanor and reasoning and accessibility and levels of self-control, while managing to lay out a foundation of some vague common ground. it's refreshing to see an intelligent presentation of these types of people, i mean it goes without saying that the godlike omnipotent serial killer with a plan is such a tiresome cliche. even when dealing w/historical fact i think it would be easy to fall into the "i'm most dangerous when i'm caged" Hannibal Lecter BS but it never does except when it toys with it a bit at the end, when Holden has his panic attack while meeting Kemper.
i guess the best comparison to make with this show really is Zodiac, since so much of it revolves around interviews that are remarkably reminiscent of the Arthur Leigh Allen interview scene.
― omar little, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
are there funko pops for this yet? that's all i really want to know.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
lolyeah it def does a better job than most of these types of shows of not fetishizing the killers in that “ooh theyre such geniuses” waylike no actually when you scratch the surface they’re violent dudes who are fucked up & pathetic i like the way it shows the origin of the language surrounding serial killers too, like ppl i think may take it for granted that it’s always been codified in this way when it’s actually only come about in the last few decades
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
I guess we're at the beginning of the funkopopalyse right now and I feel that it's a bad sign for the consumer market
― mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
after watching this i watched a couple of serial killer interviews on youtube and it's weird how mundane they are. the banality of evil and all that. was surprised by how lucid and articulate ted bundy was though. he knew exactly why he had done what he did. it was like listening to a psychiatrist talk about someone else.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
that's the part that's most chilling to me. some people just become emotionally numb but carry this weight after they've killed someone or done something grave, but the interviews they dramatized (and some of the source material) have these matter of fact recitations as if they're talking about going to the store because they ran out of milk
― mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
But remember that that is performative. That’s not their “true self”. They both just wear a series of masks. Bundy & Kemper are keenly aware of how they should speak about these acts & know that subverting that not only makes ppl react, but it gives them more attentionIf they perform well enough at being “like us”, they’ll go over bcz it weirds people out and intrigues them. And they super, duper did.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
i garbled that last part but u get the drift
it’s more chilling when you realize how ~studied~ their act of being lucid & articulate really is
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
it was a weird feeling watching the kemper interview and getting legit emotional at the part his mom says "i suppose you'll want to talk all night?"
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
aaaaaand then i remembered the um, neck thing
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
is the "true self" any more caring or even more lizardlike
or just a pure id ragemonster
― mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
i watched some of the real kemper on youtube. that weird feeling that they were just really pretty boring people except for the whole killing thing...
like, they do kinda remind me of people who come in the store and go on and on about boring stuff until i feel like i'm going to fall over. men who like to talk and hypnotize you with stories of that amplifier they owned in the 70's. sometimes i wish they would just kill me...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
I both hate myself for wondering and it's gross even being interested in it beyond the analytical thought of what makes people tick! I'm not an expert or hunting killers, so there's no practical reason for me to know, so it's all gawking (at the expense of victims) and intrigue about murder. The cops who are like "I don't care how they tick, I want to know how to stop them" are very relatable
on the other hand I love the Hannibal tv series and revel in his horribleness
― mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
so to sum it up, I'm sure I'll look good wearing your skins, ttyl
tbh i dont think there is a true self... it’s just layers of masks yeah i stand on both sides of the fence too even though i sound ghoulishly invested i would much rather these violent sexual predators not take up space in jail when there is zero chance of rehabiliatuon of any kind & at a certain point “study” just serves their ego but i am also not a big fan of capital punishment so idki kinda stan for putting them all on a trash island together in the middle of the ocean & let them lord of the flies it up with no outside attention until they all die/murder each other/eat each other etc
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
I think they're among the few people that actually belong imprisoned for life, this is one of the few reasons we would ever actually need prisons
― mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
yeah maybe idk
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
stilltrash island is v appealing
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
https://33.media.tumblr.com/bc3e1b7fd71a708e2b307812afc4d66e/tumblr_nbcw4gGtvf1rl3565o9_250.gif
― omar little, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
lolol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 00:29 (six years ago) link
the second meeting w/Kemper, he does this thing that i just noticed but is very quietly chilling.
it's a throwaway/not throwaway shot. they're talking and he stands up and walks over to demonstrate something regarding his thoughts on, uh, neck muscles, and after Kemper does it he walks back to his side of the table and as he's sitting, shoots a quick glance over at the guard who's hanging out in the next room, and even though he's in the background and out of focus you can see the guard is turned with his back to them. it's just a quick hit of Kemper pushing the envelope a bit and getting his kicks in.
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 06:19 (six years ago) link
Loving all the bridges
― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
Why does the actor playing Holden have to be so naive and childlike? Both at work and in his relationship.
― calstars, Friday, 17 November 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
He’s like a deer in headlights