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xp it's weird, right? I think I lumped it in with 'save' e.g. "I don't have any qualifications save a General Studies A-level" which is proper but I associate it with older people.

I haven't ever run across that use of 'ignore'. If it's gaining ground I've seen no evidence of that. I'd file it under 'highly idiosyncratic usages' and ignore it.

This week I also heard "The trains only run 6:00 while 11:00" but that's definitely a regional thing

Oh god kinder why would u even bring that ignore thing to us

ignore it

I see what you did there!

I don't think I've heard it but it does seem weirdly faintly familiar, which leaves me wondering if it's a regional thing or someone who's invented an exciting new backstory for "nor"

This week I also heard "The trains only run 6:00 while 11:00" but that's definitely a regional thing

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I've never heard that version of "ignore," though I can kinda, kinda get where they're going with that.

However, the trains at 6:00 while 11:00 thing, what in the

That version of ignore sounds very like someone reaching for the thesaurus, or an AI translation mistake.

Today I saw on a news website that Bill Clinton is receiving an "honoury" degree from an Irish university. I hope I don't ever see that again.

That use of "while" is standard in Yorkshire iirc.

that is pretty reprehensible, not least cos i bet there are a few thousand self-regarding northerners who insist on using it just so you know where they're from.

think I've mentioned this before - I like that use of "while" by the way but I've got no desire to flatten out dialects into one universal robolanguage - but the main published example of that usage that I can think of is the Sisters of Mercy song "Nine While Nine" which made considerably more sense to me once I knew what the word "while" is doing in that sentence.

sorry, to clarify, this is the wrong thread for having no desire to flatten out dialects

haha - it's prob grand really and dialects are good but it's only a matter of time before it's used to sell me broadband.

it probably already is! there's a horrible Yorkshire Broadband company that advertises on TV, don't know if it's national or not. think they'd avoid "while" because until you've heard it used that way it would absolutely throw you. don't get me started on "breadcakes" which are pure Hull

can someone explain what the "while" one means?

It means "until".

The two things that threw me the most when I moved to Yorkshire (1989) were "while" as described above, and gnarly old dudes calling me "love". I like both very much.

There was (probably still is) a subset of self-consciously Yorkshire phrases like "put wood in th'ole" (pronounced roughly as "put woodenthoil") meaning "close the door". I'd always get a sly little look to see how I, as an obvious Southerner, would react to something they knew I'd find incomprehensible. While and love were not like that.

it's discussed on some thread -- i forget where except it wasn't a word-usage thread -- so the regional use of "doubt" shd be noted here

me, a fancy london-based wordsmith: i doubt aliens exist = i don't believe in the existence of aliens
me, a shropshire-born country lad*: i doubt aliens exist = i think aliens probably exist

usage not limited to shropshire (indeed i think it arose in the thread bcz a us poster had noticed it in their area)

*i was once this, with accent to match

i've def heard the ignore one in the wild -- it's the delivery that sells it (in the sense of ensuring it makes sense)

dublin has the "love" thing in the inner city too. not so often from men but funny when like a 12-year-old girl in a newsagent calls you "love" in a way inherited from an older relative.

on the "ignore" one, i assume british people also say "never mind" instead of "let alone"?

mark those meanings for "doubt" map almost exactly onto French usage:

"douter" = to have doubts about
"se douter" = to suspect

IIRC, it was RAG who previously mentioned the regional - Scottish - usage of 'doubt', somewhere or other on ILX.

yep, yr right ward, discussion of doubt begins here: Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

I like 'while'! working 9 while 5...

I don't think 'ignore' meant 'nor' cos in the original use, which I doctored, the second thing was a subset of the first thing. like 'didn't expect to be able to afford a car, ignore a BMW'

"while" for "until" certainly common in Manchester too

I noticed an odd difference usage between me (southern UK) and my mother-in-law (Northwestern Illinois) recently - she seems to use "anymore" the way I'd use "these days" while I would only use it to mean a subset of "these days" these days where something has been lost / changed.

I could say "it's not cheap here anymore", and we would both find that totally standard use.
She could say "it's expensive here anymore" (or similar) and that sounds totally odd to me, though obviously I can get the drift fairly easily.

dublin has the "love" thing in the inner city too. not so often from men but funny when like a 12-year-old girl in a newsagent calls you "love" in a way inherited from an older relative.

I remember my mam asking the young lad in the petrol station for "£10 worth please, love." "I'm not your bleedin' love," was the answer.

To be clear, this was back in the days of full-service petrol stations. He was not a prostitute.

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Fair point.

Similar to "while" above: on my visits to Vermont, I used to hear people say e.g. "quarter of [the hour]" in place of "quarter to." I found it cute & quaint. Similarly, the English usage of "at the weekend" vs. "on the weekend."

Is that very regional? I've heard "quarter of" plenty often. Probably not as often as "quarter to," but still plenty. Never been to Vermont, BTW, my dialect is Midwestern / Midatlantic.

I thought "quarter of" was a common North American usage

I'd never heard "quarter of" before visiting VT. I'm Canadian; maybe that's it.

I'm sure I've heard it in Canada too!

saw on telly the following: "Did you trust him?" "Implicitly."

Does 'implicitly' actually imply a degree of trust in this way? It seems an odd word to use. (I know it's a common usage, but not really thought about it in this sense before).

I think it's fine?

One accepted use of "implicit" is "without doubt or reserve". It derives from the concept that what is implicit is also inseparable from the thing in view. So, an implicit trust would be a trust that is bound to the very essence of the person (or object).

xp dunno, if you read it literally, it sort of implies 'I trusted him but actually I hadn't really questioned whether I should'.

Aimless, yes I think that's how I've always read it (as 'unreservedly'). Just seemed an odd answer esp as then explicitly stating the trust.

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sad tidings

conrad haha yep. wasn't watching but mr kinder picked up on it.

I had the same reaction

on the basis of the verb, 'to wife':

do you think it should be 'wifing' or 'wifeing'?

Wifing. Would you write "knifeing" or "knifing"?

(Though I would be tempted by "wiving." We've come to wive it wealthily in Padua.)

To splice = splicing. To drive = driving. To brine = brining.

just don't make being a wife into a verb

^^

i am not opposed to verbing nouns in general but this one is:
* problematic
* not a natural fit for neologism since no 1 clear verb form emerges as the logical (comprehensible) one
* the variations listed above are incomprehensible and if no one knows what it means, don't try to force-invent a word that didn't ask to be invented

I was busy wifing (using wifi?)
I was busy wiving (dwiving?)
I was busy wifeing (wifeing = ???)

Good points LL.

Pro tip: husbandry and husbanding are different things.

(cf. Tom Lehrer: "he majored in animal husbandry... until they caught him at it one day."

Is "wifing" meant to be like "adulting"? Was not aware.

purely on the spelling question, i thiiiiiiiiink the only exceptions* to the rule that you drop the e for -ing are words where the e modifies a vowel: viz you don't drop the e with seeing or shoeing or -- treating y as a vowel -- eyeing

when adding e.g. -able you always need the e if it's modifying a consonant: viz changeable -- the a doesn't soften the g so you need the e

compare forcible: since the i softens the c you don;t need the e as well

*tbh this is always a risky thing to claim w/english, as it's an unusually irregular language but i certainly can't think of any