David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

I think the lack of really accurate period details balanced with what seems (to us) to be really obvious musical cues are pretty indicative of where they wanted to spend money and how wide they're trying to cast the net to reel in audiences. Zodiac had the deep moviemaking budget and was strenuously period-appropriate, but it sure didn't pull in the audience.

I am enjoying @MINDHUNTER_ but their costumer should know that any self respecting male federal employee circa 1977 would wear a tie clip.

— Mary (@maryfduffy) October 14, 2017

otm

A lot of Kemper's dialogue is taken straight from this interview (or appears to be, assuming he didn't repeat himself a lot).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfc151Zkg4

I pay so little attention to serial killer stuff that I was under the misapprehension that Kemper was a fictional killer, based on Ed Gein or a composite of other real killers or something. Holy shit, he was was for real.

Kemper is responsible for this quote (misattributed to Ed Gein in American Psycho)

“What do you think, now, when you see a pretty girl walking down the street? One side of me says, ‘Wow, what an attractive chick. I’d like to talk to her, date her.'The other side of me says, “I wonder how her head would look on a stick?’”

The two male leads (and maybe others) of the series seem to be a fictionalized split of FBI agent John Douglas's professional experience into multiple characters with personal details created to flesh out the cast. The actual interviews and most case details are pretty true to life.

it is p amazing who the alarm systems dude with the moustache was. promises an interesting storyline.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not one with a conclusion anytime soon though...

― Number None, Monday, October 16, 2017 1:03 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the manner in which they deploy this character, using him to open the show, is simple but truly stellar.

this hits the same right notes as Zodiac in that i think the most chilling thing about these types of crimes is the unknown, both in terms of who did and the fact they they're still in the wind and could be anywhere, but even after capture, after the fact, just trying to pin down an explicable reason as to why someone would do such a thing.

enjoying the fact that every time they cut to a Quantico establishing shot of some kind, there's automatic gunfire. foreshadowing the future of violence in america vs what occurs in the '70s and '80s? just a neat device?? idk, i like it.

I used to often work with lots of ADT employees on commercial installations, and still have ADT cups and pens in the house from my old days in the electrical industry. Doing fault-finding on massive alarm systems is enough to drive anyone to murder tbh! I'm only up to ep 3, but the pedantic + slightly off ADT guy cuts a really sinister figure alright.

Yeah Kemper is all too real and there are hours upon hours, possibly days/months of interview audio out there.

Brudos the shoe guy was a piece of work irl - maintained his innocence right to the end, just clogged the system with endless appeals & bullshit & never admitted to a single thing.

Speck was perfectly cast - from everything i’ve read, in person he was like a walking middle finger

man I can’t get into this beyond the blurry shape of details a tv show suggests because I’m going to start admiring the shape of coworkers’ skulls during meetings or something

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the real life details of the interviews and actions of the actual killers

tbh the info they give in the show is more than enough to get a picture of them, i didnt mean to intimate that we are missing out on anything really
- i was just adding my 2 cents bc someone upthread was surprised that Kemper was real

i realize now i should have led with my actual opinion that they are all gasbag asshole garbageppl anyway

*no one* needs to listen to Kemper talk about himself unless you’re like a BAU rookie & your job requires it & even then, ugh

no I understand the desire to get into this stuff, it’s just not for me!
btw you have an interestingly shaped head

you can watch mindhunter or you can play golf, Bill

my interest in this kind of stuff has its origins in my memories of a double murder in my hometown and the disappearance of the killer for a couple years after (which I referred to in the Stephen king thread iirc), and also a couple towns over the much more spooky slaying of seven Brown's Chicken employees in the dead of night, a crime that remained unsolved for almost a decade and totally haunted the area.

jeez yeah that would do it for sure

i think mine started because I read Helter Skelter, Small Sacrifices & Silence of the Lambs in the same year when I was 13 or 14

i'm five episodes in now - i think this show is really impressive. it's one of the most script-driven shows i've seen in this new era of tv. it doesn't hit say glengarry glenross levels but a couple of scenes reminded me of that, which is a testament to the quality of the dialogue. feel like the show has some pretty strong thematic dissection of men and male violence as well.

i have seen a critic state that the show is "playing off" Groff's queerness.

I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.)

White Laurence Fishburne imo.

i suddenly realized the main dude sometimes looks like dennis from it's always sunny in philadelphia (glenn howerton) and now i can't stop seeing it

oh thank god i'm not the only one

there was a scene where I had that exact same observation and it haunted me for a while

oh shit

"it's one of the most script-driven shows i've seen in this new era of tv"

And it's also the most riveting show for donkey's years. I really thought it would be horrid because of my aversion to the subject matter + Finch etc but I've steamed through it and up to ep 8 now.

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forgot how much i love exile's "i wanna kiss you all over"

the music cues are very on the nose, so much so that when Debbie paused their foreplay, left the room to change, and "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" came on, I thought she was going to return with a second person. I don't mind it though, I mean the tunes are good.

i mean they used "psycho killer" so

when "I Don't Like Mondays" came on right after "Psycho Killer" I was like 'wait, have I not been paying attention and all the songs on the soundtrack are about murderers in some way?'

but then I remembered they played "Fly Like An Eagle" over a travelling montage and I realised they were even dumber than that

i really liked that montage though

the songs aren't great and some the acting is questionable but it's still great v compelling

I like pretty much all the acting, the cops and killers have all been cast well. I liked the small town cop from PA, I was kind of worried they'd paint him as being a dumb rube who fucked up and they'd dismiss him narratively in that usual tedious manner they do to make the leads in a show look smarter. But his small role was complicated and interesting, his instincts kinda broke open the case.

Hannah Gross really reminds me of Maggie Siff and reminds me a bit of Ruth Wilson, maybe.

which acting do you think is bad? (ive only seen 4 eps so far)

I have never been so terrified of a can of tuna

yeah me to that was D:

i loved that whole PA sidestory, the actor playing the cop did a great job

i like mccallany a lot - i think the scene where he's saying goodbye to his son was tremendous. jonathan groff and anna torv have had some false moments imo. some of hannah gross + groff's conversations in particular have been pretty meh and in general that relationship feels pretty auxiliary to the entire project.

also ppl don't like the lack of period detail but again this doesn't bother me the core pleasure is talking about serial killer psychology

They get a lot of mileage on the period detail from the cars and from McCallany being able to smoke literally everywhere.

that'll do for me. The Deuce has very expensive wardrobes, hairstyles and sets etc . And it is shit.

I have never been so terrified of a can of tuna

What was the point of that whole cat-feeding set of scenes? I havent seen the last ep yet so does this turn into something? (ie dead cat?)

It turns into a bit of foreboding symbolism

i like mccallany a lot - i think the scene where he's saying goodbye to his son was tremendous. jonathan groff and anna torv have had some false moments imo. some of hannah gross + groff's conversations in particular have been pretty meh and in general that relationship feels pretty auxiliary to the entire project.

― Mordy, Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:39 PM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

guess i dont disagree with the relationship comment but cant really say til ive finished. i caught Torvs accent a few times but not too bad. mccallany is the best part of the show for me so far.

Ah, I thought it might. xpo

I am not done, but I am expecting this season to end with holden and bill interviewing the can of tuna

and agreed that mccallany is the best, but I'm afraid to check his imdb because I suspect he's been a twilight werewolf or something

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