Depeche Mode C or D/S& D

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"Master & Servant" is by far their greatest moment. A riff made of screams? Awesome. Mostly dud otherwise for me. KROQ played them out and made them much more important than they should have been in SoCal.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

agree with the on-u sound mixes.
didn't like the goldfrapp.

shinoda mix makes me cringe

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I could really go hog wild on this thread - I definitely share the sentiments of many people here. I find it impossible these days to answer the question 'what is your favourite band?', but for ages it used to be easy, thanks to these Essex boys. They were the first band I was properly obsessed with (OK I was a big Duran Duran freak but my DM love was more, you know, serious). I collected tons of 12"s in the 80s - even those wacky german ones on marble vinyl! I think they will always be relevant, and Ned is OTM upthread about their influence being seismic - house DJs to techno/IDM artists, and even industrial-goth types all regularly claim DM to be a root.

Black Celebration always stands out for me as their best album, but I really love their early electro-pop too. Violater was their last great complete album IMO - anything after that I felt was patchy, barring some great singles ('It's no good' is great, and the Hardfloor mix rules). Some highlights:

From their very early era, I have this DJ 12" 'megamix' which is kinda cheesy but has a super-fast version of 'Photographic' and the classic "I Sometimes Wish I Was Dead", which is included in some versions of Speak & Spell (along with Ice Machine and Shout, which should have been on the album). There is also a really long, instrumental version of 'Any Second Now' with beats which gives me chills. Kinda like 'Oberkorn'.

(OMG I'm at work and as I'm typing this post an email came in with the subject "DM show update" which startled me, until I realised it's 'Direct Marketing'. Bleh).

Some Great Reward really struck a chord with me - used to listen to it almost every night at that time.
Black Celebration - pretty much perferct. 'But Not Tonight' may be one of my favourite songs ever.
Music for the Masses is when I remember them becoming HUGE in Canada. It seemed like everyone in our high school (which was a pretty diverse crowd, let me tell you) had the album. (An aside - I was recently in Stockholm and went to a club night named after this album, which to my delight played lots of really old DM stuff. 'See You'! 'Sun & The Rainfall'! Hooray!). It was around this time - 87/88 - that I really got the sense that these guys were going to be legends.

I remember seeing 101 in the theatre in Toronto and it blew my mind - indeed, they PWND Pasadena that night. I loved that scene in Nashville - I remember being really surprised that Martin could actually play the guitar! I've seen them live many times over the years, and loved each show. Even the one where I was outside at the CNE stadium in Toronto, freezing cold in pouring rain (Violater tour - Jesus and Mary Chain opening!). The singles tour gig was a near-religious experience - I feared the vibe just wouldn't be there, since so many of us fans are older now, but I think seeing Dave back in good health inspired everyone to really get into it. What a night.

I mean holy crap I could just go on and on about so much to do with this band - obscure b-sides and remixes, etc. To be honest, the sheer volume of stuff out there kinda put me off them for a while, but now I'm inspired to start listening to them again, since it's been ages. And damn I want that singles set. I'd like to hear that Goldfrapp mix. I personally think her 'Strict Machine' was based on 'Personal Jesus' (it sure makes for a great segue!).

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 1 October 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

shit how could i have possibly mis-spelled 'Violator' twice! argh!

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 1 October 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

No worries, Rab.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

ah ha .

Ned .. is the DJ Shadow mix thats on this set the version that was pulled due to samples - or am i thinking of something different here ?

ta.
m.e

mark e (mark e), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, right now "I Feel You" is their most underrated single ever.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ABSOLUTELY CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seek: Most of their output, but particularly the underrated "Construction Time Again"

Destroy: Not much, really, but part of "Songs Of Faith And Devotion" just doesn't hold up. Also, "Pimpf" from "Music For The Masses" should be absolutely mutilated.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, right now "I Feel You" is their most underrated single ever.

I like how they do the first verse and chorus and THEN the bassline kicks in and holy jeez...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ohhh yes on "I Feel You", but I think the more grossly underrated single is "Home". Ultra as a whole isn't celebrated enough, perhaps.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Even the one where I was outside at the CNE stadium in Toronto, freezing cold in pouring rain (Violater tour - Jesus and Mary Chain opening!)
This was the first concert I ever saw. I hated JAMC. I wish I could go to that concert all over again because "Automatic" is my fave JAMC album, not to mention that I like noisy guitar bands now as opposed to then.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I think a lot of DM fans kind of abandonded the band after "Faith And Devotion", meaning some of them ignored the fact that "Ultra" was a truly great album.

Personally, I had kind of lost the interest when "Ultra" was released, because I was so extremely disappointed with "Faith And Devotion". So I played it maybe a few times, put it aside, then a couple of years I listened to "Ultra" again and suddenly discovered what a great album it was.

In addition to the singles, I would say "The Bottom Line" in particular deserves a mention.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Who could be disappointed with SoFaD? I love all the Jesus stuff so much.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"in fact hearing several of these mixes on the triple set makes me think that DM were indeed one of the best bands ever with the whole remix culture."

I'm thinking the same thing. Even with my very limited awareness of Depeche Mode mixes from recent times I imagine this could have been stretched to a four disc set (eg. where are the Hardfloor mix of "It's No Good" and the Thomas Brinkmann mix of "I Feel Loved"?). Something about the way the group combine pop songs, electronic grooves and dark drama makes them pretty much the *ideal* remix artist.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

A most fine sentiment. :-) And a good reminder I need to scare up the singles and album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 October 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The Ulrich Schnauss mix of "Little 15" is surprisingly awesome! Goth-Pop Ambient!

Likewise Speedy J's techstep take on "It's No Good" .

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Depeche Mode plan new album
http://www.depechemode.com/news/index.html#111604_newalbum

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The rumblings had been around for a bit, but it's nice to see official word.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Los Angeles Depeche Mode Convention greeting
post date: November 5th, 2004
On October 24th, there was another Depeche Mode convention in Los Angeles. Martin sent over a video greeting for the event. This is that greeting.

Did any ILXor's go? :)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh good lord no. Conventions are of the devil.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I told my co-worker to buy her Depeche-Mode-loving boyfriend the 3CD Remix collection for Xmas. Did I do the right thing?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

You certainly did. Got that myself recently -- as well as the US "Enjoy the Silence" remix single, which collects most of the rest.

Also, there's actually a fourth disc too...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The Mike Shinoda "reinterpretation" of Enjoy the Silence is the funniest thing I've heard all year, it's just slightly less necessary than Electric Six's cover of Radio Ga Ga.

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, it's the other remixes that I'm after on that single! ;-) (Did the E6 do that live, I seem to remember hearing about that.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The E6 didn't just do it live, it's their new single.

The Mike Shinoda remix is great though, fuck the other remixes, I mean none of them answered the time honored question, "What if Depeche Mode was actually Linkin Park?"

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

it's their new single

Hahaha. That IS useless. Orgy's "Blue Monday" made more sense (ie, none at all).

"What if Depeche Mode was actually Linkin Park?"

The only difference anyway between the two bands are louder guitars and rapping, of a sort. Even the rhyme structures are similar! (Alternate example of said-mega-obvious style of rhyming: Placebo.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

(Best/worst Depeche rhyme -- 'houses'/'trousers')

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the rapping that's really important, though.

Commparing EITHER song to Orgy's Blue Monday is pretty much worth a punch in the face, Ned.

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Shall I pull an Edward Norton and beat myself up?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm kicking my own ass!"

Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe the appropriate move here would be an "Artie Fufkin."

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, here's the actual tracklisting for the fourth disc:

behind the wheel/route 66 (megamix)
dream on - morel's pink noise club mix
master and servant (u.s. black & blue version)
nothing - justin strauss mix
people are people - special edition on-usound remix
little 15 (bogus brothers mix)
freelove - josh wink dub
personal jesus (kazan cathedral mix)
but not tonight - extended remix
but not tonight (margouleff dance mix)
freelove - powder productions remix
slowblow (mad professor mix)
rush - black sun mix

(That last one, I should note, is the semi-legendary never-exactly-released-as-such Coil mix -- Coil themselves offered it up on their site a while back very briefly so it's not rare per se, but it's nice to see it resurface again.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Depeche Mode always seemed to be taken more seriously, and appreciated more deeply, outside of their native country.

I’m old enough to remember their first UK TOTP appearance, yet despite enjoying the odd single on the radio I always found them pretty lightweight, and am continually surprised how substantial their influence has been on so much electronic music - from the Horrorist to Black Strobe who drop 'World In My Eyes' in their ‘Essential Mix’.

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Their first two albums were completely different than the stuff they did later. They contained several big UK hits, which meant that the UK audiences always remembered their early stuff, something which most of the audiences outside of UK didn't.

And, for some reason, "Speak & Spell" has never been fully accepted the way, for instance "Dare", "Rio" and "Lexicon Of Love" have, although the former is also another good example of a brilliant lightweight early 80s pop album.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
bt delivered "Devotional" to my hard drive over the weekend. I hadn't seen it in about ten years ... OMG, it's even better than I remember it.

Would it be cruel to say that part of me misses Crazy Heroin Dave? He was such a great showman. The Happy Fun Dave of today is more reserved, is a better singer, and will survive each tour with certainty. Of course, those aren't criticisms.

The key moment, of course, is the instant when the live drums come crashing into "I Feel You". That's the DM equivalent of turning the volume knob from 10 up to the full 11.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

they peaked with violator " everything since has been patchy.

my fave song is " nothng"

pimpf boy, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i have no desire for remixes but the singles cds ingles box set was amazing, revealing some rarities.

pimpf boy, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Feel You" is their most underrated single, I think; it's certainly the only one that captures the same sense of roar-and-swagger as "Never Let Me Down Again".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

FEAR MY "POSTING SOMETHING I'VE ALREADY SAID TO A THREAD" WAYS

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I finally heard Violator!


It's great!

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

:-) Bless you, my son.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

What did you like most about it, out of curiosity?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of things!

The production's great, it's very much of a piece, also nice to feel some of the brooding goth romantisicm stuff that I like in Superpitcher/Koehncke/Alex Smoke echo back across the decades.

You don't get enough ROCK albums that sound like this.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I only got interested in Depeche in the past couple years, having ignored them for a long time - busy being aggro, but totally loved "It's No Good" in spite of that. The nice part is that I got to hear all their albums at once, and found I liked most of Ultra and Exciter just as much as the 80's stuff. Oh, I see they are playing in DC this fall, I may have to go!

What I like most about Violator is "Policy of Truth," though I couldn't tell you why..

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 18 August 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Adam, get Ultra!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 August 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Any hard dates on the U.S. tour yet?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 18 August 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Adam, get Ultra!!

That's for damn sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 August 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Ultra AND Exciter, really. I've relistened to both over the past couple of days just to get myself in the mood again with the new album coming up, and while it's crystal clear that Ultra was a magnificent success, I'm honestly surprised at how some folks underrate Exciter -- in the same way that Tim notes Ultra could easily be Tim Simenon's best album, I might be so bold as to say Exciter is Mark Bell's (I realize the Björk crowd will disagree). From a distance of four years now it's almost like they made a microhouse album of sorts without it being described as such -- the bass lines throughout are amazing and the whole album is incredibly crisp and focused, brisk. At moments of contrast between that and a more 'typical' Depeche sound -- the instrumental/orchestral conclusion on "I Am You" then sliding into a minimal synth ending, say -- the effect is breathtaking.

I used to worry that Alan Wilder's departure would cripple Depeche completely but as brilliant an arranger as he was, switching to a new model of working where each new producer becomes the key collaborator/arranger has resulted in Depeche becoming fresher by default, and based on "Precious" Ben Hillier is going to make it three for three here...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"I used to worry that Alan Wilder's departure would cripple Depeche completely"

I thought they were dead when he left. Their post-Alan output has been surprisingly decent, but they were still a better band with him in it.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link


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