Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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It's true -- Sonic Youth's career is filled with crappy cover art. Their only half-decent covers are "Daydream Nation" and "Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star".

"A Thousand Leaves" is the every defintion of "crappy Photoshop job".

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I like that cover

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

NYC Ghosts + Flowers cover was at least sorta cool cause it looked like it was 3D glasses compatible, and the skeleton had two gap-shadow boners. The Rather Ripped cover could be a Billy Corgan solo cover. I dunno, is it??

ath (ath), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the cover of Rather Ripped! It seems vaguely similar to the cover of A Thousand Leaves.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

it looks like a lame stab at surrealism as slapped together in photoshop in thirty minutes.

does surrealism own the copyright on images of the human eye or something? I think you're bringin' your own baggage to the table g

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

they should get pettibon to do their album covers again.

Well, haven't they made a point of having different artists do the covers of the records rather than repeating the same people?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

They should get me pretending to be Pettibon to do their album cover.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Their only half-decent covers are "Daydream Nation" and "Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star".

Sister has a great cover.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the cover of Sonic Nurse and dislike the cover of Murray Street

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos hates children. ;-)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos likes clarity

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

W-wait, what's wrong with that font? You hate sans serif? I kind of like the Rather Ripped cover. I don't get the surrealism thing at all. More like plain irony, juxtaposing the makeup mirror image with the words "rather ripped".

I actually think NYCGF was one of their better covers, not that they have many great ones. (S: Daydream Nation).

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"it looks like a rejected Luna cover. For an Australian-only single. From 1994."

ha! tis true ... again, scott makes me happier.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i ate olives with Kim G. last night at a party. that is all.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

At least their covers aren't as consistently awful as Neil Young's.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

sundar i'm a big fan of sans-serif fonts! i will live and die by helvetica! but that font sucks! and it doesn't look good all in lowercase, especially with the kerning and the leading set the way it is, so that there are big spaces between the letters in "sonic youth" and almost no space between the letters in "rather ripped," and there's a big fat space between the two lines that doesn't look quite right.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

not to mention that the two lines are centered (not centered on the page, but centered with each other), which doesn't look good either.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

haha you rule geeta. I can sort of see what you're saying.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

SY album covers in order of awesomeness, from best at the top to the worst on the bottom:

Goo
Daydream Nation
Experimental Jet Set Trash and No Star
Dirty
Evol
Sonic Nurse
Sister
Confusion Is Sex
A Thousand Leaves
Rather Ripped
NYC Ghosts and Flowers
The Whitey Album
Murray Street
all of the SYR records in a tie, though I like the red one best
Bad Moon Rising
Washing Machine
Sonic Youth EP

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

sundar are you in montreal? or toronto? i keep forgetting. we should hang out! i am heading to canada sometime soon.

beta--was kim gordon a total ice queen when you were eating olives with her? or was she nice to you? i got the chance to hang out with sonic youth backstage once, maybe four years ago. kim was very distant and basically ignored me, thurston was nice enough, jim o'rourke (guess he's not still in the band) was friendly, and i didn't see much of steve. the nicest person in the band was lee ranaldo, who even offered to write my wire article for me when i was feeling stressed out about it. i saw him some other time at a gallery and had a funny conversation with him about "le corbusier concrete lollipops" (i still have one somewhere, in a box!)

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

stop showing off andy...did you go to that thing last night? what'd you think? (xpected to maybe see you, geeta). xpst

thurston gave me an impromptu lecture on strange old improvisors when i 1st met him...but they have all been quite nice to me when i have met them. & xpst

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, that Washing Machine cover, sigh. I have a weird attachment to it because I always saw myself as the chubby brown-haired kid on the right and my friend Chris, who introduced me to a lot of Sonic Youth, as the skinny pointy-chinned kid next to him.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rather Ripped" is the new title? Seriously?
I hope Thurston hasn't been pumping iron with Bobby Bonds! lol

I see M. Perpetua posts here, august company indeed!

Wrinklepaws (Wrinklepaws), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

whitey album should move up on that list...way up...and confusion!

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

no, not the lecture thing, but some post-movie party (the one with Will Oldham, tho he wasn't there). she was nice but we just talked finger foods.
i did however talk to Ira Kaplan about Tacoland, having seen Yo La Tengo play there a good decade ago. he offered his condolensces about Ram and told me some story about Augie Myers and Doug Sahm just laughing when he mentioned playing there.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Washing Machine so much, and I have some sentimental attachment to that cover, but aside from the appealing blue and white motif, I have to acknowledge that it's kinda bad.

I've never ever ever heard of any anecdote involving Lee in which he was anything less than super nice and awesome.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

and needless to say, with free beer, i was rather ripped.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Washing Machine is TOTALLY one of their best album covers. and jaymc, I know what you mean, someone jokingly asked me once if the kids on the cover where me and my brother, and I then realized it actually looked plausible. I remember on MTV News they showed the photo and SY asked the kids in the photo to come forward so they could get permission to use it as the album cover, I guess they snapped the photo on tour w/ Lollapalooza and didn't catch their names.

only member of the band I've met was Steve, a few times, including an interview, and he's definitely a nice, low-key bro.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Oooh, just heard from someone who knows that Rather Ripped has more Lee than anything they've done in a long while!

I always keep hoping that someday there's a Sonic Youth album where Lee does a full third of the singing.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Those kids on washingmachine were in my mom's class at the time. If it was Lollapalooza, it would have been in Hartford I'm guessing

dan. (dan.), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Experimental Jet set is a TERRIBLE cover, what the hell? why do people like that?

the only good ones are Daydream, Goo, Sonic Nurse, and Evol. Sister and Bad Moon were alright on vinyl but the detail is lost on CD. the other covers are all worse than this one.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) Well, it almost def was Lollapalooza, because those shirts were first sold on that tour.

I always thought it was sort of a funny twist, too -- usually the concert t-shirt has the cover of the album on it, whereas here the cover of the album has the concert t-shirt on it. I'm sure everyone who bought the shirt in summer '95 assumed that when the album was released a couple months later, it would just be the logo from the shirt on that solid blue background.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Oooh, just heard from someone who knows that Rather Ripped has more Lee than anything they've done in a long while!

yeah, that has been the word on the street

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like the colors, photos, and text on Exp Jet Set! It's a really iconic album cover to me. Maybe it's because I was 14 when it came out.

Jaymc has a really good point about the album/t-shirt reversal, and now it's making me like the cover more again.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't get the love for the Goo cover. Seward otm upthread.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the album/shirt thing is part of the reason why I really like that cover.

the Jet Set cover is debateable, but if we're talking about the whole packaging, I did like that goofy thing they did where it was a bunch of different cards instead of a booklet in the CD case with alternate covers. I used to shuffle it to a different cover all the time, usually the b&w one of Steve or the one w/ Kim over the green background with the horse.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the Goo cover is OK as far as Pettibon album covers go, but my favorite packaging for an SY release might be the "Disappearer" single that has a booklet full of Pettibon drawings.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really fond of the Murray Street cover, and I have a poster of it on my wall.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

sonic nurse's cover is very nice.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

RR's artwork is fine; ditto for the typesetting. everyone should shut up now.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, my pre-release album thread has turned into a "discuss Sonic Youth's album covers" thread. This seems like a good thing, except that folks are giving short shrift to the Bad Moon Rising cover. For shame! Especially back in 1985, I saw this on a record store wall and immediately knew I had to hear it. That one is still my favorite, but I also like Sister, Daydream Nation, Evol, and Kill Yr Idols. Don't go for the new covers as much. I liked Nurse tho.

Brainwasher started a thread on this after me and it got locked, however that one included the tracklisting which I think we should do now, since we're talking about the cover...

01. Reena
02. Incinerate
03. Do You Believe In Rapture?
04. Sleepin Around
05. What A Waste
06. Jams Run Free
07. Rats
08. Turquoise Boy
09. Lights Out
10. The Neutral
11. Pink Steam
12. Or

And I am also enthused about the "more Lee stuff" rumour. An album of songs like "Skip Tracer" or "The Bridge" would be just peachy by me.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 31 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't Lee supposed to be releasing a songs album soon-ish as well? about fucking time.

jon dale, Friday, 31 March 2006 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Was just enjoying Lee' song off of Dirty.

Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Friday, 31 March 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

They should call the new record "Love, Lee". You've still got the alliteration in the album title, but with bonus points for referential substance. Maybe I'll just call it that in private...

nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the "more Lee stuff" rumour? I made a CD-R of all the SY Lee songs, but they don't work as well in that format.

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i just dug this up from the official board:

Recorded at Sear Sound Studio, additonal ovedubs at Murray Street studio, J Mascis Studio, produced by John Agnello

Album inspired by Blue Oyster Cult, Rembrandts, NBC comedy series Freaks and Geeks (last 2 probably a joke, or even blue oyster cult is a joke also )

Kim Gordon - 5 songs,
Thurson Moore- 6 songs,
Lee Ranaldo - 1 song

Jim o'Rourke left the band

Rather ripped has 12 songs + descriptions:

01. Reena (sung by kim gordon)
02. Incinerate (sung by thurston moore, a propulsive song, a song kinda like teenage roit)
03. Do You Believe in Rapture? (sung by thurston moore
04. Sleepin' Around - (sung by thurston moore, previously called sonic mirror)
05. What a Waste - (described by Kim/Thurston's daughter Coco as a rip of from Friends series theme song of Rembrands)
06. Jams Run Free
07. Rats (sung by lee ranaldo, blends a dark bass grove with thick sheets of guitar, whatever that means)
08. Turquoise Boy (sung by kim gordon, a gentle song dirtied up with bursts of noise at its conclusion)
09. Lights Out
10. The Neutral
11. Pink Steam (Sung by thurston)
12. Or (Sung by Thurston)

Quotes:
Lee Ranaldo:
"Some of it seems to be an extension of the last couple of records, but some hearkens forward into territory and also back to earlier, more dissonant and atonal stuff we've done. There's definitely some rocking songs and also some sound piece-y kind of things that are pretty interesting as well."

so maybe the "more lee" rumour is wrong?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 31 March 2006 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the "more Lee stuff" rumour? I made a CD-R of all the SY Lee songs, but they don't work as well in that format.

Out of curiosity, can you post a track list/sequence? I just made a quick Lee Ranaldo vs. Sonic Youth playlist (ordered chronologically) to listen too while reading this thread and I think it plays through pretty nicely:

In The Kingdom #19
Lee Is Free
Trilogy
Wish Fulfilment
Saucer-Like
Skip Tracer
Karen Revisited
Paper Cup Exit

I didn't have a copy of "Mote" off of Goo, or I would have stuck it in after "Trilogy".

nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You can find it, amongst other things, on this fine thread: Fry yr brain into a big pulp of nothing, nada, attempting to spit on this man's rep: Lee Ranaldo

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

now that you mention it, there was some sort of talk about a songy lee record, wasn't there

bb (bbrz), Friday, 31 March 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link


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