i could be completely wrong about this, but somewhere in the back of my mind i got it that dan stuart was gay himself. which would make his comments about stipe come across completely opposite from how they're being interpreted here. he's not criticizing him for being gay. he's criticizing him for being in the closet. it may be a pointless and unnecessary thing to say, but i'm not so sure it's evil.
calling howe gelb a "rich jew boy" is offensive. and if you don't think half the non-jews in rock (and probably a third of the jews) haven't said something exactly like this to someone somewhere while drunk in some bar at some point in their lives, well, you're probably wrong.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link
well the 1st big single was written (co-written?) by Tom Petty and had that Benmont Tench organ sound so it had a lot of reasons to stick out.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link
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― laticsmon (laticsmon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link
my response was a tad self-righteous, admittedly, I've used bigoted terminology before when I WASN'T drunk but Stuart said this shit in an interview and that's different whether he was stoned, drunk, withdrawing or whatever. And while every human being is prejudiced, I find it hard to believe that such a high per centage of musicians would castigate their peers in this way. I mean, when one jew calls another "jew boy" it's sorta like "nigga" you know what I'm saying? Stuart just sounds like a bitter fuck. And this idea that Michael Stipe disguised his sexuality to sell more records strikes me as absurd. The thousands of people who bought REM albums in the 80s -- and probably most of the millions who did in the early 90s -- weren't viewing him as a sex symbol. I mean, the guy's never been exactly MACHO. I don't think his coming out would've been a big shock to the majority of fans. Now George Michael, that was another story...
― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link
http://guitarbands.de
― laticsmon (laticsmon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Nevermind the asshole comments, this is pretty fucken lame as well.
Jason and the Scorchers rule
It's funny it actually took me a long time to figure this out because I was in high school in Nashville during their heyday, and they were all over the college radio station I listened to and played at local clubs constantly.
Anybody here ever hear Web Wilder? Cause he's definitely in this group though he didn't even achieve the bit of recognition the bands in the title of this thread got.
― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link
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― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link
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― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link
i used to own a treat her right album that wasn't horrible. but they came a little later then the rest of these guys. (i think.)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I think they had a lot of female fans who thought they were hott in the '80s, actually.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Heheh, I totally recall that on the D&D album.
Ditto above... A sizable minority of REM's early (female and gay male) fans most definitely considered Stipe a sex symbol in the arty downcast boy-poet vein. (I saw em in '83 at Queens College)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
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― don, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_wRJVTVx3Bc
ten bucks sez i start buying old del fuegos and long ryders albums when i see them cheap at the store from now on. it had to happen.
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mbquA796WJQ
i used to associate it with that stuff for some reason. i guess it's just college rock.
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7itLeZg85Ac
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XysaT44Ez5U
anyone hear about that documentary on dexter that the people who did the athens movie are putting out? i guess it's kinda sad or something.
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=82iQofVyRY8&mode=related&search=
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link
of all those people in that list, I basically say none of them--lone justice always seemed sort of ok, and the rest all have a few good songs. but "long ryders" is a lame-ass name, plus isn't that sid griffin? interesting time for gram parsons worship back then, in its early stages. the very very first jason and (the nashville) scorchers records were all right, just as i probably can only listen to the very first, still somewhat evocative mysterioso lo-fi r.e.m ep. to me they were kind of unfocussed, thrashing, half-way good mix of, wow, "radical" idea!, "punk" and "country." a good time for gram parsons worship. i just never thought they were really all that good. if the new york dolls (saw this depressing doc last night about arthur kane's last daze) made the world safe for the new york dolls, the scorchers opened the door to stuff like br-549 15 years later.
as somebody, probably chuck, said above, the blasters were a lot better, and ditto the mekons on their best stuff. los lobos. old 97's did the jangle and the distance just fine on one or two albums. the gun club, as skott says above, i also liked ok, they were more like from the swamp and a lot of the people in the TS are drugstore cowboys--a good era for gram parsons and byrds worship, i love them myself, but these days i think maybe critics might be giving more props to gene clark, jackie deshannon, even lee hazlewood, and dillard and clark and for god's sake, when you're talking about country-rock/rock don't forget skip spence, as originators of post-byrds/parsons/punk/roots/americana thing that people used to think maybe was all gram? so that's an interesting list of bands to start the thread.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link
but the video... ay, caramba...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eb_znrTEGpQ
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
unreal.
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link
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― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Anybody remember the Silos?
― Mark, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Silos' Cuba is fantastic. I still own three copies and would probably buy another copy if I happened upon it. Supposedly there's a mix of the s/t album that's very different. Wish Rupe had hung around...
― john. a resident of chicago., Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
rupe went on to play with gutterball, who i seem to have mentioned on this thread five years ago and who i don't think anyone else cares about.
i liked cuba a lot, though i haven't listened in years. also good: walter salas-humara's first solo album, lagartija, and quite a bit of stuff by the vulgar boatmen. the silos got decidedly spotty post-cuba. last i checked, they still very much existed.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Still play s/t and Cuba from time to time. They were great live back in the day. IIRC they did some rain sounds over the intro to Tennessee Fire that was all kinds of great.
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Has anyone mentioned Danny and Dusty -- a one-off bar band with Steve Wynn, Dan Stuart, Chris Cacavas and bunch of fellow travelers? Their record, Lost Weekend, is a hoot.
Chuck Prophet's first couple of solo records are also worth considering -- his duets with Stephanie Finch have a nice Gram-Emmylou vibe.
― Chonus, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The Silos Cuba is indeed great. But their best song came later, on the Susan Across The Ocean album. It's a cover of a song called Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around. If you haven't heard it, you're in for a treat.
http://www.amazon.com/Susan-Across-Ocean-Silos/dp/B000000FDI
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
cover of a song called Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around
by michael hall of the wild seeds, who almost certainly fit on this thread themselves.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
His version is more ironic. The Silos turn it into an anthem
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link