Tell me about: Ian Svenonius

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P.S. If his hangers-on got addicted, it's their fault as much as Gregg's. Seriously, no sympathy for the sheep, as I was saying before. If Gregg told them it was hip to take Flintstone vitamins, all the CVSes all over town would be wiped clean.

totally OTM. hahahahaha.

i was a huge fan of the delta 72. they moved to philly shortly after i came here for college. they definately had an energy that was lacking in local bands at the time. sarah stolfa was inspiring to me, at a time when few girls took to the stage in philly. [well, that hasnt really changed all these years later]

i still think "rich girls like to steal" is a mighty song.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 27 June 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

delta 72 were the shit!!!
saw em on the last tour (000), and it was grand! twas with boss hog, but, i didn't even stay for BH because the delta blew out the PA system. all you could hear on the high-end was a hiss and deafening squeal.
much jumping around and sweat. if foreman was junkin it up, he sure didn't look it. too much energy.
and the drummer was a machine.

eedd, Sunday, 27 June 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

He'd have like three chapters at least in my hypothetical tome "Why I Hate the DC Rock Scene"

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Sunday, 27 June 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

daria - about feeling out of place at the black cat back then, i can sympathize. haven't been there in awhile, their schedule has been consistently bad for years now so i'm not missing out. there used to be this character i'd see at those kind of shows who would sometimes carry around a pink unicorn stuffed animal (i witnessed it once at fort reno). he talked a lot to himself or anyone who would listen about bands and music in general, going into minute detail. sometimes i'd see him at vinyl ink and he'd be looking at records and talking to himself about them like 'rain man.' nice guy, but really out there.

sherm, Sunday, 27 June 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Daria and Sherm,

Even though I have a closet of vintage dresses and go-go boots and about a zillion records from that time period and its 11 revivals,I can totally relate to not feeling hip enough for the room. I always had a mixed relationship with the scenes that sprang out of The Delta 72 and Gregg's early party, "Uptight," which later expanded under the umbrella of the behemoth Making Time. I loved the music, I loved the fashion, and I loved the energy, but I hated the people and the overall vibe. I found those people really unapproachable, and I'm sorry, when you dress mod or '60s in general and get caught up in it all, a big part of it is having a sense of humor and fun. They also didn't support other similar parties going on by people way more knowledgeable, yet less fashionable or "cool." And you couldn't seriously talk about music with those people or damn near anything else. It's sad, how what started off as something very exciting sucked the life and the soul out of the scene, and now all people want to do is go to DJ nights and be hipster fashionistas.

Sara Sherr, Sunday, 27 June 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

sara: if sharkey can be considered a "guest dj" at rock tits and play a total of 3 records [don rickles, richard pryor and some death metal lp] for the night, then i believe the dj night, as we know it in philly, has seen the first nail in its coffin.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 June 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the pink unicorn guy! I saw him at Fort Reno when I was there for.. uh.. something, it might have been Dismemberment Plan. At that show I had one of a rather lengthy list, considering the relatively small number of events I attended, of highly unpleasant encounters with DC and Baltimore scenesters - this one when I made a pretty low-key comment to a person I'd been introduced to about how the band wasn't my cup of tea, and this girl got all offended because she'd seen their first tour EVER. Why this information was relevant I couldn't tell you. I also was made to feel totally unwelcome by people in several DC and Baltimore bands when stopping by their houses w/a mutual friend, which is totally lame. I don't know, I like the fashion and I'm not asking for anyone to bend over backwards here, but if I am at your fucking house say hello and be polite, don't just stand there and pout at me.

daria g (daria g), Monday, 28 June 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

God I sound like a curmudgeon here. ;) We should start a Miss Manners column for hipsters. Think the DC City Paper will be interested?

daria g (daria g), Monday, 28 June 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, you saw him too? amazing, he really gets around, that guy. oh shit, just remembered the funniest spotting of him was in baltimore at a nashville pussy show! my friend and i watched in awe as he paced back + forth in front of the stage making the "copulation hand gesture" (index finger penetrating circle made by other hand). he was gesturing like that wildy to the girl bass(?) player, the one that spits fire.

back on topic: i think i got to see each of ian s.'s bands live up to and including the make-up wherein i lost interest. no idea what the bands he's in now (weird war and scene creamers) are like. i have no problem with people into fashion, except that they tend to not tolerate those that aren't in the know (like me). i mean, that quote above in the gregg f. piece about "shlubs think they can go onstage looking like superchunk roadies" is kinda funny, but ultimately telling about that kind of mindset that a lot those d.c. fashion club kids had/have (curmudgeon alert!).

as far as baltimore scenesters giving attitude (all too familiar with that too), well that's lame. just stomp on their toes or slap them out of their pouty reverie and remind them what city they're from. despite the efforts of certain d.c. wannabes (*cough* convocation of.. *cough*) baltimore is too working-class for any amount of posturing like that to be taken seriously locally.

sherm, Monday, 28 June 2004 07:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Sherm,

Sounds like Philly has a similar relationship to New York as Baltimore does to DC.

Sara Sherr, Monday, 28 June 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

sara - that's interesting. my view of philly is based on probably two trips i've made there, one of which was to see a melt banana/caroliner/cock esp show at this cool place called the astrocade. i had no idea of whatever else was going on in philly or that gregg foreman had even made a name for himself there.

just noticed that i still have my copy of the first n.o.u. 7", probably the best thing they did. i have to hand it to them for not sounding like every other d.c. band and doing something original. the metamatics are probably the only other one i can think of that did this.

sherm, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

what the fuck is going on in this thread?

benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Serious discussion?

(When you said Goodwill I hope that was code for 'a microwave oven.')

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

sherm - i was at that show! i miss the astrocade big time.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The Metamatics! that shit was crazy. did it ever get released on CD? I'd love to hear them again.

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 09:17 (nineteen years ago) link

the metamatics have a record. (not to be confused with the electronic version of metamatics.)

m.

msp, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think one of the guys from The Metamatics is now in Et At It, who I saw open for Casual Dots and (IMHO) blew them away.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

when he first changed the name of the band from Scene Creamers to Weird War, a friend of mine made the brilliant suggestion that they should be called the Weird Creamers. last year I went to some show at the Black Cat where one of the openers cancelled at the last minute and WW was added to the bill, and all I could think through their whole set was WEIRD CREAMERS. I almost yelled it at the stage.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Scene War!

hexxy, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a bunch of songs that Ian's done over the years - assorted stuff from his time with the Nation Of Ulysses, The Make-Up, Scene Creamers, Weird War. None of those bands were ever consistent, but when they were on, they were/are fabulous.

Ian Svenonius POX:

"Last Train To Cool"
"Joy Of Sound"
"Pow! To The People"
"Born on the Floor"
"AK-47"
"Baby It's The Best"
"Mockingbird Yeah"
"Depression III"
"I Am Pentagon"
"Caught Up In The Rapture"

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone know where you can find articles that Ian's written? I guess he wrote one on why Paul was the best beatle and the Lord of the Rings one sounds cool too.

andy, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't pick ten, haven't heard enough of the records but offhand..

"They Live by Night"
"Today I Met the Girl I'm Going to Marry"
"Cool Senior High School"
"Evidence Is Everywhere"
"How Pretty Can U Get"
"Spectra Sonic Sound"

xpost - I know the Metamatics have a record, that's what I had heard originally but it wasn't mine and I don't have a turntable, had thought there might have been a reissue?

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

maria - astrocade no more? that sucks. caroliner's set was the most unhinged show i've ever seen. almost got stranded there cuz we locked the keys in the car (way to go stoner) but the window was open a crack and we coaxed this nice fella with toothpick arms to heroically reach in and unlock it.

daria - the metamatics s/t is lp only, which is a shame. saw them at fort reno and they were really good, like the contortions but noisier. the singer was also in all scars and i think he does solo electronic stuff. only just learned of the et at it band which also has a girl who was in meltdown and i went to school with. i may have seen the early incarnation of meltdown, they went by the name pleiades, it was pretty cool to see those teens get up and play like that.

anyone remember the happy flowers?. they were kinda like the wolf eyes of the late 80s. they may be my favorite dc band, though i guess technically they were from virginia so they don't count.

sherm, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Did he Ian ever date Michelle Mae?

girls are gay, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Et At It were pretty awesome at that show. Like mostly instrumental math rock with no drums, just two guitars and bass. Some crazy stuff going on. They were going to put something out on Ian Mackaye's CD-R label, but I don't know if it's out yet.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

article on ian svenonius here

not sure if ian and michelle were/are a couple but i always just assumed it.

also, apparently meltdown has a cd out on the archigramophone label.

sherm, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Et At It has a CD out on Northern Liberties that you can order through the Dischord site.

Metamatics have a discography CD on Troubleman Unlimited that is amazing (and contains their songs from the split 7" they did with The Make Up, on Svenonius' Black Gemini label). Metamatics drummer Malcolm McDuffie was also in Crom Tech. The singer, Chuck Bettis, now does experimental electronic noise stuff as Trance & the Arcade.
Gabe Andruzzi now plays in the Rapture.
Anyways, yeah, Metamatics were awesome. I only got to see them once -- opening for Fugazi at Fort Reno (Summer '93 I think), but it was an amazing show.

As you can tell, I am super into all this DC stuff...

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

maria - astrocade no more? that sucks. caroliner's set was the most unhinged show i've ever seen. almost got stranded there cuz we locked the keys in the car (way to go stoner) but the window was open a crack and we coaxed this nice fella with toothpick arms to heroically reach in and unlock it.

sherm, i think it shut down about 4 years ago for shows. i dont know if seth and the revolving cast of characters still live there anymore. one of the housemates didnt want live music and there was always the fear of being shut down by the cops due to zoning issues.

man, i really miss that place.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Ian and Michelle were a couple back during the Make*Up era. Supposedly the band barely survived the breakup. I think she's in Weird War or whatever it's calling itself these day.

Never saw Happy Flowers, but a few years ago they played some reunion shows as an opener for Yo La Tengo. Apparently the one whose stage name is Mr. Anus has a doctorate in something and is doing professional stuff at a think tank. (Wonder what his resume looks like.)

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

ah you're right, neb, thanks. i had heard troubleman was gonna release some metamatics but i didn't know it was already out.

mr. horribly-charred-infant runs the official happy flowers website. "Dr. Anus" hahaha

sherm, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I worked with Ian a couple of years back (writing/producing the music for David Candy). He was hilarious...he never stops talking, and he certainly knows his stuff.

Jez (Jez), Thursday, 1 July 2004 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link

That David Candy CD on Jetset is a blast. So random. Everyone I have ever played that for is like "what the hell is THIS?"

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

one of my roommates is an art transporter/installer and he says he sees the guy pretty frequently at openings and such. always flanked by two attractive girls and looking and smirking at him like "you know who i am, guy who's into punk rock. yeah, this is what i've got going on."

circa1916, Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Not rushing to the defence of IS but I always feel like this kind of thing says less about the guy who can supposedly transmit convoluted sentences with his facial expressions and more about the guy who thinks he's interpreting them

Not a musician, but I thought of Justin Fashanu for some reason (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link

well, i know my roommate pretty well and he's a smart dude and i trust his takes on things and he and i both still dig Ian Svenonious and his bands. it's just an image to laugh about.

circa1916, Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah, the dude is known to go to openings with a girl on each arm. come on.

circa1916, Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link

the svenonius book 'the psychic soviet' is totally hilarious.

*makeitplop* (haitch), Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i really enjoy his interviews on the vice tv. he's a funny guy!

circa1916, Sunday, 28 March 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ his new band's song "600,00 Bands": http://www.myspace.com/feltletters

"fifty thousand sound like Can/ fifty thousand sound like Manfred Mann"

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Sunday, 28 March 2010 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zz74pBb4ZA

Tilda Swinton Wreck Up A Dread Dub (admrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I love all the songs on the Felt Letters MySpace page but I sort of doubt they'll ever put anything out besides that one 7" (which would be a real shame): http://www.myspace.com/feltletters

She Got the Shakes, Thursday, 9 December 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/02/25/ian-svenonius-on-the-bruise-cruise-maybe-this-is-the-first-step-of-indie-rock-going-vegas/

He's emceeing the Bruise Cruise--garage and indie bands on a Carnival cruise ship

The Black Lips, Surfer Blood, Thee Oh Sees, Ty Segall, The Strange Boys, Turbo Fruits—and Vivien Girls

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/02/25/im-on-a-boat/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40532/bruise-cruise/

That crazy guy

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 March 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

saw adds for this and was suspicious but lol Ian cracks me up:

"You think of disco and electro-funk and funk music as being obsessed with space travel. Garage rock—they talk, maybe, about cars, but never boats. In gospel music they talk about the train. Psychedelic bands talk about planes. I’d say garage rock is usually very land-based."

You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 March 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Chain and the Gang!!! this is great

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 4 June 2011 03:18 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't like the record as much as Weird War, but C&tG were so great live. I wish I could remember this one bit he did about waste in the air. the birds are flying around up there in the sky and there's so much waste. think of all of that real estate up there, just being wasted. those birds aren't doing anything with it. haha, I don't know, anyway it cracked me up.

unmetalled world (wk), Saturday, 4 June 2011 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

Kinda love Chain and the Gang TBH. I love everything Ian does and I don't care if you don't

Grime Scene Investigation Unit (admrl), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

I dig this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZU1ppG2Hj4

Grime Scene Investigation Unit (admrl), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

one of my roommates is an art transporter/installer and he says he sees the guy pretty frequently at openings and such. always flanked by two attractive girls and looking and smirking at him like "you know who i am, guy who's into punk rock. yeah, this is what i've got going on."

This is pretty much why I like him

Grime Scene Investigation Unit (admrl), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

Chain and the Gang album is great, one of my favorite things from last year

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link


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