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I can only say sorry.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:24 (twenty years ago) link

Marcello... actually, no.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

Zero tolerance.

Just out of interest, why is it okay to overlook such attitudes in pop music you like (ie CoM's Dizzee review) and not in tossed-off pieces of glib web-writing? Why is Church of Me recommending Boy In Da Corner despite your argument that it also contains what you upthread call "sexist rubbish"? Why apply zero-tolerance to one field and not another?

I'm not being facetious, I'm interested in your reasoning for this.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

haha trife to thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:42 (twenty years ago) link

Larkin's law.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:55 (twenty years ago) link

Look, Marcello... are you that bored you have to argue? Seriously? Because if so... fine. Whatever.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

Are you that bored that you have to post a stupid "article" like that in the first place? Is the Mercury Mucus Prize even worth writing about?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

I asked my question first. Notice the use of "crazy" to describe indie later on the article as well, boy. Does that mean the article is racist to whites as well?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

"boy." We're not on the plantation any more. Perhaps you didn't realise.

Marcello (boy?) Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

I think people need to jettison the Popbitch "pram-face" creed to which most bloggers seem to be subscribing at present.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure there are more worthy targets than tossed-off interweb irreverent-opinion pieces, Marcello.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Haven't you got some 2,000 word article on the intense sonic soundscapes created by the Thunderbugs you could bore the blog world by posting?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:22 (twenty years ago) link

Nick, there's a difference between being irreverent and being offensive.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

But some people can be both.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

Yourself, for instance.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

Oh no, I've been burnt. Hey, try that line about how all football fans are racist again boy, that was a cracker of a line that one.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

Since I edited the piece in question I guess I should take some of the blame, as I didn't omit the offending statements. But the reason I didn't omit them was because I didn't think they were offensive, either in content or context. No one else has mentioned it, and in fact quite a few people have said it was a good fun piece, which is all it was ever meant to be.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nick Southall? Nick Griffin more, um, like.

(Hey, you can have that one for free Marcello)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and boy, while you're on your rampage against terms like "pramface" and "council" for the bigotry they contain, perhaps you'd care to explain the "a big fuck you to the dole office" comment on the latest CoM. Or perhaps instead you could just raise "issues" to disguise your lack of point.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

For free? You get what you pay for. Ha.

False Name, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:38 (twenty years ago) link

In his early years Norman Jay was fucked about big-time and generally treated like shit by the DHSS - on a racial level as well as a social level. Thus the "fuck you to the dole office" in reference to his recent MBE, i.e. to those bureaucrats who told him he was nothing, a worthless piece of shit.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think the article is racist - the "stupid name" comment was stupid at worst (actually, its no more or less stupid a name as 'Dom Passantino'), but nowhere NEAR as offensive to me as the term "jungle bunnies" even used ironically.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:28 (twenty years ago) link

Keep telling yourself that Marcello.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly Matt. I've lost count of the times people have riffed on my name (Domino's Pizza you say? Ho ho ho). I hardly think each and every single one of those guys was a raging xenophobe.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

Never mind the article anyway; what do people think of the graphic design on the banner-link to it from the frontpage? Isn't that picture beautiful? (i.e. it's one of mine, as are quite a lot of the stock images on Stylus...)

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck it. Fuck off the lot of you.

1st point of issue - Soweto Kinch.

1) Dom couldn't remember his name. That is all.

2) I said what I said NOT because it's hip-hop and jazz, but because people are saying it's great because it's a fusion of hip-hop and jazz, like when people say Faithless are really clever and innovative because they have live instruments, or Jason Downs thought he was really clever because he was a country musician who had a rapper on his records, or The Red Hot Chilli Peppers think they're really clever because they fuse funk and rock and rap and, fuck it, I dunno, throat singing, because they're so fucking immensely fucking talented. Common thread between the three - they're shite, jsut like the Stereophonics, just like Starsailor, trading off their supposed 'talent' rather than the music they actually come out with. Maybe Mr Kinch bucks this trend, I have no idea. I may even listen to some of his music one day.

The Dizzee Rascal comments that I made, I do apologise for. Not racist, just rather flippant and ill-informed. Thing is, upon reading them again, they're eerily reminiscent of comments So Solid Crew made about him in their NME interview, about how he's not street because he hasn't gone top 10, and has probably never even seen a gun, comments that nearly propelled me to buy the album solely because they were that ignorant and ill-informed. Of course, though, I didn't, and I bought the Wildhearts and Mower instead. I also went public school, am a virgin, and am currently drinking a bottle of Fanta and eating a Mars Bar thus increasing the grip of the evil corporations on the world or whatever the fuck else you wanna fucking have a go at me about. I didn't go on the anti-war marches, there's one.

Truth be told, I can't fucking stand situations like this. This is why you're waiting on four album reviews from me, because I hate confrontation, I hate discussion, I hate upsetting people, and all the fucking time I'm pussyfooting around trying to avoid bullshit like this by not saying anything, which is probably why half the fucking top 40 review is filled with pictures, and the other half is basically me going 'Erm...' Alright? I can't fucking write about music, I can't fucking write about anything without sounding like a bloody simpleton, an arrogant prick, or just a fucking moron generally. And that ISN'T whinging, I am NOT having a go at you, I don't fucking know what I am doing, I'm meant to be writing some letter to uni about how exactly I want to go back there because otherwise I'm fucking stuck where I am right bloody now, but no, I'm writing this stream-of-consciousness bile-fuelled fuckerbucker 500 cack because I cannot handle anything.

Dom, you just missed Raul Malo on Des & Mel.

W.B. SWygart, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

Dom, you just missed Raul Malo on Des & Mel.

You see, that's the important thing here.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

ah fuck. Couldn't fucking keep it simple, could I.

Sorry. Sorry sorry sorry sorry.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

Don't fret.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link

In fact, I've just remembered. If you really wanna get offended, XFM's Music:Response show had Dizzee Rascal as their album of the week when it came out. THis meant they had a competition each night to win a copy. If I remember right, this competition went along the following lines: female presenter says some 'street slang', and the callers have to guess what it means.

This, I think, is roughly what you're equating me with. Which I'm not very happy about.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I'm squarely equating you with an idiotic racist who prefers to make fun of the names of musicians WHEN THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LISTENED TO THE MUSIC IN QUESTION.

If you're not even capable of undertaking that elementary level of homework, you should not be writing about music.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

We weren't making fun of his name.

And no, maybe we shouldn't be.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Yes Marcello. That's exactly what you're doing. Well done.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

Yes you were, and no maybe about it - you shouldn't be.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

No we weren't. He couldn't remember Soweto Kinch's name, and he made a guess at it. That's it. That's what it was. That's all it fucking was.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

Then you should have said that, instead of "There's that Brummie guy with the stupid name," shouldn't you?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, but this doesn't ACTUALLY indicate racism, does it? Idiocy I will accept, ranting without having heard the music I will also accept. But for fuck's sake, Marcello, you're intelligent enough not to stoop such to sub-Trifean levels... I mean, Jesus.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:36 (twenty years ago) link

This is demeaning everybody involved now.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

So would it be racism if I'd done the same thing about a white guy, or are you just randomly chucking out double standards because trolling is more productive for you than forming actual relationships with other human beings?

(Xpost)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Cool down bredren. Stop all the fussin' and fightin'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

Is Soweto Kinch any good then? Should I buy his record?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

He's potentially a very good altoist indeed. The record's OK - I'm not sure that the rap stuff fits in, and the d&b bit on "Mungo's Adventure" doesn't quite work, but things like "Doxology" and "Flame Thrower" are very fine post-Coltrane workouts. I'd say it was worth a listen.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, can I add my two cents?

A) I wasn't a huge fan of that piece, largely b/c I thought the IM-ish thing was just sort of sloppy and hard to read. Nick and I tried to pull off a piece like this earlier and, well, it never ran. For good reason.

B) I think there's a difference between "racism" and "racial insensitivity". One is pretty much evil -- the other merely stupid. This seemed to clearly be flirting the latter -- a tossed-off, somewhat poorly thought-out attempt at glibness.

I would hope, Marcello, you wouldn't write off Stylus based on one isolated instance of something of this nature.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:42 (twenty years ago) link

(btw, Marcello, nice tribute to Ian Mac in COM)

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

Someone on another board (ok, h1p1n1on) says this, which may or may not be an attempt at a hoax, but I'm just copying since I don't know:

One of my friends works at a promotions company and got an email back from them saying:

"Hi there PR person/band person:

Stylus Magazine will no longer be actively published starting on
October 31, 2007. We may or may not be stopping publishing reviews
long before that, so please DO NOT send any discs to us."

?

StanM, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.uwsp.edu/news/photos/MOURNING.gif

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link

dom this isnt the thread to brag about girls you fucked

and what, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Originally I was going to post this picture:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/461/mourning.jpg

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

some behind-the-scenes magic right there

and what, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

hey, ethan, two out of three ain't bad, especially the one at the back. you could argue on balance that it's a haul to be proud of!

Just got offed, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link


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