Radiohead can do anything, oh yes they can?

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I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that DJ Andesron is pretty much right on, but I'd also like to note that Yorke is most often just trying to write lyrics that are suitable to the compositions that they've written.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i find 'we suck young blood' and 'drunken punchup at a wedding' to be humorous, if not quite funny.

for real.

Gregor Vox (Gregor Vox), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite frankly, their sonic shifts make their emotional monochromism much more interesting to me.

Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor.

Talk about missing the point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

That song about "woke up sucking a lemon" was an attempt at a funny, yeah?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor."

me, too! and they're fans as well...
they all seem to lack it.
mostly you get a 'radiohead's gawd, and there's no way around it' sorta thing, which gets really old, really quick.

eedd, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as I can see the only humorless people here are the ones complaining that Radiohead/their fans lack a sense of humor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought the "they take themselves too seriously" dig was cherrypicked crap.

If someone like David Byrne or Mark Mothersbaugh had written a song with the chorus: "I'm a reasonable man, get off my case," methinks it would be regarded as witty/homorous/whatever. Plenty of examples of the same type of thing.

In general, though, the humor is in bizarre turns of phrase: "her hitler hairdo is making me feel ill" is damn funny. Not all humor involves punchlines. I'm not saying they're the next Jonathan Richman, I'm just sayin.

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, homorous

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fans of what?

Dan (Grammar Humor) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I really wouldn't label Radiohead's lyrics as being humorless. There's definitely a lot of dark, dry humor in a LOT of their songs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fucking rubbish at pop songs these days though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned - ouch!

The main point I was making is that their rampant and admirable experimentalism might be also applied to exploring emotional tones beyond the already exhaustively explored nuances of alienation etc, and that being wildly successful and acclaimed for over 10 years might have, you know, cheered them up to the extent that they might feel able to musically explore different the lighter side of life without compromising their artistic integrity.

"However, the kind of emotional palette you seem to be talking about, a simple personal misery, they moved past years ago."

The recent material still sounds fairly downbeat and glum to me, sorry! Thing is, Thom has talked in interviews about wanting to celebrate both the “highs and lows” of everyday life, and I don’t really hear much celebration of the former, despite their having becoming the most acclaimed band on the planet.

"Does having millions of fans ease an existential or spiritual conflict?"

And millions in the bank don't forget - well, err, sorry but yes, I genuinely imagine it would bolster the ego somewhat, reconcile you to the world to certain degree, and generally take some of the edge off your existential angst – who knows, it might even nudge you towards the occasional joyful moment which you might then occasionally reflect in your music, rather than remaining emotionally monochromatic. Even if they weren't feeling on top of the world, they might want to try writing something joyful just for the hell of it, just for the sake of experimenting.

Re the supposedly funny/humorous aspects to Radiohead's music/lyrics - I must confess bafflement. I love comedy, and indeed the darker the better eg Monkey Dust and Peep Show, but the supposed 'humour' in their work is clearly too subtle for me insofar as it doesn’t make me laugh. That is what humour is supposed to do, right?

FWIW just in case anyone interprets this as random hating, I should make it clear Radiohead are easily my favourite band, and that I just wanted to voice an honest criticism.


dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fucking rubbish at pop songs these days though.

I'd like to suggest that the fact that they don't have scantily-clad girls singing in unison on their refrains doesn't mean that they don't do pop songs anymore but I'm afraid you'd hit me.

Dan (There There Is A Fantastic Pop Song) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I do like how the opener for this thread is that Radiohead could do ANYTHING. What did they do? Boring mush. Way to go guys! Confound those expectations!

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really unclear as to how this joie de vivre should manifest itself in their music. Should they sing about circuses? Cute kittens?

How many bands really sing about being happy and joyful anyway?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Plenty of bands make emotionally uplifting music - have you really not come across any of them?

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't listen to Christian music.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(joke, but honestly, no not really... haven't come across many bands singing about the joys of life that I find worth actually listening to)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emotionally uplifting" isn't always the same as "happy and joyful", though, is it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean the most emotionally uplifting piece I can thin k of is Shostakovitch symph 13 "babi yar" and that certainly isn't happy or joyful.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! Fair enough Melissa!

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emotionally uplifting" isn't always the same as "happy and joyful", though, is it.

No, it isn't the same as emotionally depressing either.

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The most emotionally uplifting, happy and joyful music I can think of right now is Parliament, are you a fan Melissa?

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, if Radiohead ever made me actually *laugh* via their music I'd be concerned.

There is humor, but I prefer the dark and subtle strains of it, the vaguely absurd.

I don't see what the point of aiming for actual laughter would be. It would just be distracting and weird, some goofy or overly joyous song sitting in the middle of one of their albums.

Radiohead themselves are pretty silly though, and I'm absolutely sure they don't take themselves nearly as seriously as most people seem to think they do.

They find joy in the act of exploring and creating interesting music, I think that's enough.

(x-post, no)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

D.J. Andesron OTM.

not song, album, band, genre, music can be everything anyway.

not that i'm a big fan of RH, but what sort of criticism is it to say that a band doesnt experiment with enough emotional variety (even if it WAS true in this case, and it may not be)?

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I laughed at the 2001 post suggesting they hire Bobby O and cover Divine disco hits. But when I thought about it all I heard in my mind was Erasure. When I thought about the recent "more humorus" thread at first I came up with Zappa, all those insufferable bathroom jokes and the just plain stupid ditties they played between their really cool numbers. But I like dave marsh's pointing to Parliament as a funny dance band model, however I'm having a hard time hearing radiohead/funkadelic in my head. What I came up with sounded like Benny Hill fronting New Order.

JB Young (JB Young), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to see them write more than one good song per album.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to see people come up with something more interesting to criticize them over than what Alfred just said.

Dan (Let It Go Already) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, that's really where the matter ends for me, Dan,OK Computer excepted (it's got many good songs).

"Good Radiohead song" = Thom Yorke's dystopian mewling subsumed by atmospherics and ugly-loud guitars.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Did they have scantily-clad female singers doing the refrains back on Pablo Honey?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

No. This is one of the many reasons why Pablo Honey is awful.

Dan (Unforgivable Album In Almost Every Regard) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha. Aha.

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

There's plenty a busker could cover on Hail, but if they don't want to that's their deal. (And frankly given my experiences with the buskers in London I'd actually give them some money if they did that if only to feel relieved it wasn't Bob Marley, David Gray or Coldplay.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?
Did the definition of pop change while I was asleep last night?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

On my visit the buskers near Kings Cross performed Ace of Base's "The Sign." Damn good version it was too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't say that was a definition of pop.

Change my previous statement to "when did they last write a song that someone could and would do at karaoke?", which I'm sure will wind people up even further.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i only like music that someone could and would do at karaoke.

inert false cat (sleep), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i only like music that someone could and would do.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I can name that tune in no notes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Because my statement was predicated with "Only music as thus is any good at all, all the rest is shite" wasn't it?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"As far as I can see the only humorless people here are the ones complaining that Radiohead/their fans lack a sense of humor."

tis fair enough to say, but doubtful...as having run into more than my fair share of RH fans/fanatics, i can say w/ some amount of experience that NONE of them had any doubts about the direction of RH @ any point, nor did they think ANY joke pertaining to RH was funny in the least.
i'll admit, i don't see almost ANY humor in them. unless it's packed tightly amongst the b-sides i've never sat down and listened to. (and i've been subjected to a huge slice of their catalog, unfortunately)

perhaps it's just this guy's opinion (in fact, it IS!), but RH are pretty much w/o a smile anytime i've ever seen them!

and yes, the millions in the bank, the critics hanging on they're every bleep/bloop, the fans fawning over them like earth-bound godlings that just got outta bed- all this should amount to some sort of 'good tidings' and cast out a portion they're constant dread.

all that said, maybe they should just all pick up some guitars and hang up the political blather they're so fond of, for just a second maybe?

eedd, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

That Alfred Hitchcock. His classic films were so dark, so menacing, so lacking in "emotional uplift". How could anyone possibly have enjoyed them?

drewo (drewo), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty solid

rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"when did they last write a song that someone could and would do at karaoke?"

There There
Drunken Punchup At A Wedding
Go To Sleep
We Suck Young Blood
The Gloaming
I Will
Myxomatosis

Dan (Off The Top Of My Head) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe they should just all pick up some guitars and hang up the political blather they're so fond of, for just a second maybe?

Maybe you should offer the band your consulting services.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

RH are pretty much w/o a smile anytime i've ever seen them!

To echo what Melissa said - surely no one who's seen them live in more recent years (since the Kid A/Amnesiac era, anyway)could mistake them for miserable bastards.

Deluxe (Damian), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You go to fucking weird karaoke, Dan Perry.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Hitchcock films totally have emotional uplift!

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link


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