George Harrison: Search & Destroy

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (292 of them)

yeah, the Beatles contributed to their own mythology, being that they were in the Beatles and didn't just stop making music altogether. i don't really understand Turrican's point here, they should have written good songs but not referenced that thing they did for 1/3rd of their lives, seems like a dumb demand to make

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

like wow they consciously wrote about their own lives, oh no, what bastards

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm not saying they shouldn't have done, I'm saying they did it to an embarrassing degree. There is a difference there.

Although The Beatles never played a gig where they decided to knock live goldfish into the audience out of champagne glasses, so I suppose there is that.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

of course they did -- what else inspired George's "Fish on the Sand"?!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm not saying they shouldn't have done, I'm saying they did it to an embarrassing degree. There is a difference there.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican)

so the standard here is, what, turrican is embarrassed by the degree to which they wrote about their own lives?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 16 October 2017 12:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

If they were merely writing about their own lives, that would be fine... if they had still been in The Beatles. The tone of the solo Beatles when they get all self-referential isn't "this is what I did today", it's the sound of people believing their own hype.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 13:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

Then again, when they tried to write about being young when they were past the Beatles' stage, it wasn't all convincing.

e.g. "Back seat of my car", I love the song, but .. really?

Mark G, Monday, 16 October 2017 13:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

As far as the audience was concerned, they were still in the Beatles, in the sense that no one would let them forget it, and no one would let them rest without begging them to reunite, with the veiled subtext of "save us!"

To the extent that the Beatles themselves bought into it, they went back and forth. George lamented that the only peace they got on tour was when they went to the can; but when Vox came up with the Super Beatle amps for that tour, his response was, "'Super Beatle'?! What's more super than being a Beatle?"

In the Anthology he said, "They gave their screams, but we gave our nervous systems"; but while viewing footage of screaming throngs, he turned to the director and said, "If U2 thinks they're a big and popular band, then they should sit through this shit and they can see how popular a real band can be."

The fact that they wrote about the Beatles in their solo work as much as they did was, in part, a way of processing what the fuck they'd all been through. Paul's comparatively scant Beatle-referencing output could likely be put down to the fact that he angrily and dickishly initiated the breakup (publicly, at least) -- to put out songs in 1970-75 along the lines of "gee, I miss the fellas, and boy, we were great!" would be a dick move.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 October 2017 14:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

As far as the audience was concerned, they were still in the Beatles, in the sense that no one would let them forget it, and no one would let them rest without begging them to reunite, with the veiled subtext of "save us!"

That's the audience's problem rather than the band's problem. Unless you're saying that they were in some way pandering to their audience, in which case I agree.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 15:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

While of course also giving themselves self-congratulatory pats on the back in song at the same time.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 15:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

U2 have probably played bigger gigs and given more value for money at their gigs than The Beatles ever did post-Hamburg. Just that audiences have learned to stfu because, let's face it, those screaming crowds look idiotic now.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 15:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

They looked idiotic then too tbf

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 October 2017 15:47 (nine months ago) Permalink

Those songs on ATMP don't seem like self-congratulatory pats on the back to me. What are we talking about, "Early 1970?" "I'm the Greatest?" The "How Do You Sleep"/"Some People Never Know" back and forth?

timellison, Monday, 16 October 2017 16:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

That's because they're not. The self-congratulatory pats on the back came later, particularly when McCartney got in on the act. Before that it was merely just self-referential myth-making.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 17:01 (nine months ago) Permalink

This brings me nicely to...

Paul's comparatively scant Beatle-referencing output could likely be put down to the fact that he angrily and dickishly initiated the breakup (publicly, at least) -- to put out songs in 1970-75 along the lines of "gee, I miss the fellas, and boy, we were great!" would be a dick move.

Or it could be that he genuinely wanted to move on and make music on his own terms. Which he did, and the fact that he continued to score hit after hit showed he was onto something.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 16 October 2017 17:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

this whole discussion is insane but man....... hating on "back seat of my car" ???? bonkers

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

He wasn't hating on it - he said he loves the song, but finds the lyric unconvincing.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 06:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

I think we should all be embarrased about how much we love THE BEATLES

niels, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 07:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah, whoa!

The idea that Paul has to have his relationship w/ girlfriend, while hiding from her dad. That's mmmm probably not where he was at, at that time.

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 11:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

'Hi Hi Hi' was probably more where he was at!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Pretty sure Morrissey has written songs about the Smiths and the break-up/aftermath of the Smiths (a bigger solo Moz fan will have to help me out here...)

mahb, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

Do 'The Smiths', 'Johnny', 'Andy' or 'Mike' appear in the lyrics?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 13:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah if I'd been in the Beatles I doubt I would've even noticed really

albvivertine, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 20:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

Wonder if Pete Best ever thinks about it.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 20:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Destroy the 1981 comeback..

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Do 'The Smiths', 'Johnny', 'Andy' or 'Mike' appear in the lyrics?

Johnny, Andy, Stephen and Mike
If I like the girl who cares who you like

Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:37 (four months ago) Permalink

1979’s superior eponymous effort (its single “Blow Away” is a beguiling little gem that’s the equal of any McCartney)

love that entire album

reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 8 March 2018 08:35 (four months ago) Permalink

Let's rap and tap at Crackerbox Palace

timellison, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:36 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Sounds so much like Jerry Garcia on "Pisces Fish"

timellison, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.