David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

I wanted to single out a really excellent shot, when Monte Rissell is talking about how it all could have been different for him if he'd stayed where he wanted to, and the camera tracks in on the back of his head. The combination of his words and the shot was inexplicably moving.

The episode, I think it’s the sixth or seventh, where it’s about the characters coming to terms with their new roles and we see a glimpse of their lives and the toll this is all taking and the ways they’re dealing with the work, was really well timed

i love how flat & deadeyed & sarcastic Ford is in the final episode, compared to his wide-eyed enthusiam in ep 1

oh and the music cues are great.

Eh I don't know... some of them are little too on-the-nose. "Psycho Killer" and "I Don't Like Mondays" come to mind.

"Psycho Killer" seemed pretty bad tbh

this show still rules

i like on the nose

*makes note on little pad*

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is this all fincher or is it one of those 'he sets the parameters in e01' deals where they bring in working tv directors for the remainder to ape his style

he directed 4 of the 10 eps

Asif Kapadia, at least, was an inspired choice.

idk man some characters resemble types of people you find out there in the world, some are more like narrative devices with legs

yeah i get that, i guess i didn't think that character is badly written so much as dormant. i'm only three episodes in and her scenes have been p well done and indicative of character imo but she doesn't do anything and hasn't got much purpose, so far. that feels different from a character who is a cipher or a plot device.

i watched one ep and her role seemed to be mainly to ensure that the show isn't literally all men which is.. laudable i guess as a gesture but hardly enough really

one of the leads is also a woman

she doesn't turn up til later though

fair enough.

this is a photo of fbi agents in 1977. note the shaggy hairstyles, the sideburns, the mustache. NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MUSTACHES IN THIS SHOW

https://mikemcclaughry.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/fbi_agents_raiding_cedars_complex_-_scientology.png

it is p amazing who the alarm systems dude with the moustache was. promises an interesting storyline.

not one with a conclusion anytime soon though...

"I've been re-watching Fringe so it's mildly amusing to see Anna Torv play a Boston-based FBI consultant. Am glad she's getting regular work again too."

I just got to ep 3 and was thinking I haven't seen in her anything since Fringe + she's ace!

period detail is definitely pretty half-hearted

in contrast The Deuce has impeccable period detail, but is unwatchable imo.

not one with a conclusion anytime soon though...

yeah am intrigued to see what they do with it.

i agree btw with people saying the rock hits are a bit on the nose, but i think the original score is great at times. some really interesting electronic type stuff, eg in the opening scene of ep 1.

still not totally sold on The Deuce but at the very least Maggie Gyllenhall is incredible in it

from what I saw in the first ep she is great in it, yeah.

but double fucking James Franco is not something I was looking forward to.

I think the lack of really accurate period details balanced with what seems (to us) to be really obvious musical cues are pretty indicative of where they wanted to spend money and how wide they're trying to cast the net to reel in audiences. Zodiac had the deep moviemaking budget and was strenuously period-appropriate, but it sure didn't pull in the audience.

I am enjoying @MINDHUNTER_ but their costumer should know that any self respecting male federal employee circa 1977 would wear a tie clip.

— Mary (@maryfduffy) October 14, 2017

otm

A lot of Kemper's dialogue is taken straight from this interview (or appears to be, assuming he didn't repeat himself a lot).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfc151Zkg4

I pay so little attention to serial killer stuff that I was under the misapprehension that Kemper was a fictional killer, based on Ed Gein or a composite of other real killers or something. Holy shit, he was was for real.

Kemper is responsible for this quote (misattributed to Ed Gein in American Psycho)

“What do you think, now, when you see a pretty girl walking down the street? One side of me says, ‘Wow, what an attractive chick. I’d like to talk to her, date her.'The other side of me says, “I wonder how her head would look on a stick?’”

The two male leads (and maybe others) of the series seem to be a fictionalized split of FBI agent John Douglas's professional experience into multiple characters with personal details created to flesh out the cast. The actual interviews and most case details are pretty true to life.

it is p amazing who the alarm systems dude with the moustache was. promises an interesting storyline.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not one with a conclusion anytime soon though...

― Number None, Monday, October 16, 2017 1:03 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the manner in which they deploy this character, using him to open the show, is simple but truly stellar.

this hits the same right notes as Zodiac in that i think the most chilling thing about these types of crimes is the unknown, both in terms of who did and the fact they they're still in the wind and could be anywhere, but even after capture, after the fact, just trying to pin down an explicable reason as to why someone would do such a thing.

enjoying the fact that every time they cut to a Quantico establishing shot of some kind, there's automatic gunfire. foreshadowing the future of violence in america vs what occurs in the '70s and '80s? just a neat device?? idk, i like it.

I used to often work with lots of ADT employees on commercial installations, and still have ADT cups and pens in the house from my old days in the electrical industry. Doing fault-finding on massive alarm systems is enough to drive anyone to murder tbh! I'm only up to ep 3, but the pedantic + slightly off ADT guy cuts a really sinister figure alright.

Yeah Kemper is all too real and there are hours upon hours, possibly days/months of interview audio out there.

Brudos the shoe guy was a piece of work irl - maintained his innocence right to the end, just clogged the system with endless appeals & bullshit & never admitted to a single thing.

Speck was perfectly cast - from everything i’ve read, in person he was like a walking middle finger

man I can’t get into this beyond the blurry shape of details a tv show suggests because I’m going to start admiring the shape of coworkers’ skulls during meetings or something

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the real life details of the interviews and actions of the actual killers

tbh the info they give in the show is more than enough to get a picture of them, i didnt mean to intimate that we are missing out on anything really
- i was just adding my 2 cents bc someone upthread was surprised that Kemper was real

i realize now i should have led with my actual opinion that they are all gasbag asshole garbageppl anyway

*no one* needs to listen to Kemper talk about himself unless you’re like a BAU rookie & your job requires it & even then, ugh

no I understand the desire to get into this stuff, it’s just not for me!
btw you have an interestingly shaped head

you can watch mindhunter or you can play golf, Bill

my interest in this kind of stuff has its origins in my memories of a double murder in my hometown and the disappearance of the killer for a couple years after (which I referred to in the Stephen king thread iirc), and also a couple towns over the much more spooky slaying of seven Brown's Chicken employees in the dead of night, a crime that remained unsolved for almost a decade and totally haunted the area.

jeez yeah that would do it for sure

i think mine started because I read Helter Skelter, Small Sacrifices & Silence of the Lambs in the same year when I was 13 or 14

i'm five episodes in now - i think this show is really impressive. it's one of the most script-driven shows i've seen in this new era of tv. it doesn't hit say glengarry glenross levels but a couple of scenes reminded me of that, which is a testament to the quality of the dialogue. feel like the show has some pretty strong thematic dissection of men and male violence as well.

i have seen a critic state that the show is "playing off" Groff's queerness.

I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.)

White Laurence Fishburne imo.

i suddenly realized the main dude sometimes looks like dennis from it's always sunny in philadelphia (glenn howerton) and now i can't stop seeing it

oh thank god i'm not the only one

there was a scene where I had that exact same observation and it haunted me for a while