I've really hardened my heart against this because I'm not much of a fan of Fincher, serial killer fic and stuff where the FBI are the good guys. But I suspect from what I'm reading it will probably win me over and become a mucho guilty pleasure watch.
― calzino, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
how bloody/disturbing is this show
― na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
How violent/gory is this? The premise seems pretty bloodless, but are there reenactments or flashbacks or even just autopsies/ lots of photos?
ha xp
― rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
ha weird
― na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
basically I want to watch this (loved Zodiac) but my partner is an automatic no on serial killer shit, and I'm squeamish enough myself these days to not necessarily want to spend 10 hours marinating in murder naturalism.
― rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
99% of “gore” is crime scene photographs. there’s no dramatization of the murders themselves vis flashbacks or anything - the horrors are mostly communicated through conversationthere is one v shocking moment in ep1 that is quite gory but passes by v quickly
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
It’s not very gory overall. There is a scene in the first episode with some brief gore but it’s not serial killer-related.
Apart from that it’s mostly just crime scene photos and graphic verbal descriptions of crimes.
*LOTS* of ookiness and creepy shit though.
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
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yeah, and the crime scene photos are not lingered upon & are faintly colored or black & white often by the time you realize what you are seeing it’s already off cameradef not for the faint hearted but nowhere near the gorefest you might expectfincher himself has described the show as mainly being about conversations & that def bears out
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
perfect, thanks!
― rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
One of my favorite bits was the looks Anna Torv kept shooting at Groff during their first meeting when he'd interject. Close up as he writes in notebook: "BOOK?"
― nomar, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
enjoying this so far but Brandy is otm here
Fincher: this is Debbie, she's a real human womanMe: lmaoooo oh for sure man— BranDIE Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) October 15, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
on put more simply Debbie is basically the Cool Girl from the Gone Girl rant
Otherwise this has been v enjoyable
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
*quickly crosses off “looking for my Debbie (watch Mindhunter!!)” from my dating profile*
― mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
great we've established that this drama contains fictional characters
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 15 October 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
idk man some characters resemble types of people you find out there in the world, some are more like narrative devices with legs
― mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
Debbie’s introductory scenes are silly maybe but she didn’t strike me as unrealistic past that?
― ryan, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
I've been re-watching Fringe so it's mildly amusing to see Anna Torv play a Boston-based FBI consultant. Am glad she's getting regular work again too.
I'm about two-thirds in and this is pretty good! And despite the dour subject matter, it's genuinely funny at points - that one killer who couldn't stop crying, the seat-switching scene in the airplane, Holt McCallany in general.
― Roz, Monday, 16 October 2017 01:50 (six years ago) link
yeah the quippy dialogue is good and I'm glad that they weren't afraid to allow some humor in -- for a show that's pretty tense it's also got a nice contrasting relaxed vibe about it
oh and the music cues are great. the Exile 'I Wanna Kiss You All Over' cue at the end of the shoe fetish episode was so good
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 October 2017 02:40 (six years ago) link
I wanted to single out a really excellent shot, when Monte Rissell is talking about how it all could have been different for him if he'd stayed where he wanted to, and the camera tracks in on the back of his head. The combination of his words and the shot was inexplicably moving.
― nomar, Monday, 16 October 2017 02:43 (six years ago) link
The episode, I think it’s the sixth or seventh, where it’s about the characters coming to terms with their new roles and we see a glimpse of their lives and the toll this is all taking and the ways they’re dealing with the work, was really well timed
― mh, Monday, 16 October 2017 03:02 (six years ago) link
i love how flat & deadeyed & sarcastic Ford is in the final episode, compared to his wide-eyed enthusiam in ep 1
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 October 2017 03:13 (six years ago) link
oh and the music cues are great.
Eh I don't know... some of them are little too on-the-nose. "Psycho Killer" and "I Don't Like Mondays" come to mind.
― Roz, Monday, 16 October 2017 03:38 (six years ago) link
"Psycho Killer" seemed pretty bad tbh
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 October 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
this show still rules
i like on the nose
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 October 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
*makes note on little pad*
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 October 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link
POST
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 October 2017 04:20 (six years ago) link
is this all fincher or is it one of those 'he sets the parameters in e01' deals where they bring in working tv directors for the remainder to ape his style
― j., Monday, 16 October 2017 04:26 (six years ago) link
he directed 4 of the 10 eps
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 October 2017 04:41 (six years ago) link
Asif Kapadia, at least, was an inspired choice.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 16 October 2017 05:08 (six years ago) link
yeah i get that, i guess i didn't think that character is badly written so much as dormant. i'm only three episodes in and her scenes have been p well done and indicative of character imo but she doesn't do anything and hasn't got much purpose, so far. that feels different from a character who is a cipher or a plot device.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 October 2017 09:23 (six years ago) link
i watched one ep and her role seemed to be mainly to ensure that the show isn't literally all men which is.. laudable i guess as a gesture but hardly enough really
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 October 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
one of the leads is also a woman
she doesn't turn up til later though
― Number None, Monday, 16 October 2017 11:21 (six years ago) link
fair enough.
this is a photo of fbi agents in 1977. note the shaggy hairstyles, the sideburns, the mustache. NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MUSTACHES IN THIS SHOW
https://mikemcclaughry.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/fbi_agents_raiding_cedars_complex_-_scientology.png
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:34 (six years ago) link
it is p amazing who the alarm systems dude with the moustache was. promises an interesting storyline.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 October 2017 11:58 (six years ago) link
not one with a conclusion anytime soon though...
― Number None, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:03 (six years ago) link
"I've been re-watching Fringe so it's mildly amusing to see Anna Torv play a Boston-based FBI consultant. Am glad she's getting regular work again too."
I just got to ep 3 and was thinking I haven't seen in her anything since Fringe + she's ace!
― calzino, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:03 (six years ago) link
period detail is definitely pretty half-hearted
― Number None, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:04 (six years ago) link
in contrast The Deuce has impeccable period detail, but is unwatchable imo.
― calzino, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link
yeah am intrigued to see what they do with it.
i agree btw with people saying the rock hits are a bit on the nose, but i think the original score is great at times. some really interesting electronic type stuff, eg in the opening scene of ep 1.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 October 2017 12:07 (six years ago) link
still not totally sold on The Deuce but at the very least Maggie Gyllenhall is incredible in it
― Number None, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link
from what I saw in the first ep she is great in it, yeah.
― calzino, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:17 (six years ago) link
but double fucking James Franco is not something I was looking forward to.
― calzino, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
I think the lack of really accurate period details balanced with what seems (to us) to be really obvious musical cues are pretty indicative of where they wanted to spend money and how wide they're trying to cast the net to reel in audiences. Zodiac had the deep moviemaking budget and was strenuously period-appropriate, but it sure didn't pull in the audience.
― mh, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
I am enjoying @MINDHUNTER_ but their costumer should know that any self respecting male federal employee circa 1977 would wear a tie clip.— Mary (@maryfduffy) October 14, 2017
― Eazy, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
otm
― mh, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
A lot of Kemper's dialogue is taken straight from this interview (or appears to be, assuming he didn't repeat himself a lot).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfc151Zkg4
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 16 October 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
I pay so little attention to serial killer stuff that I was under the misapprehension that Kemper was a fictional killer, based on Ed Gein or a composite of other real killers or something. Holy shit, he was was for real.
― calzino, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
Kemper is responsible for this quote (misattributed to Ed Gein in American Psycho)
“What do you think, now, when you see a pretty girl walking down the street? One side of me says, ‘Wow, what an attractive chick. I’d like to talk to her, date her.'The other side of me says, “I wonder how her head would look on a stick?’”
― Number None, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
Not sure whether the reason was his wanting a break or too high a budget back in 2020 but he just said in that interview that Netflix doesn't want to fund another season
― Vinnie, Sunday, 26 February 2023 00:40 (one year ago) link
I'm with James--the budget excuse just strikes me as a deflection from cast issues, and most of all Fincher turning his attention elsewhere.
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 03:16 (one year ago) link
(On the other hand, they'd reached a point where I can't see that they needed Fincher; Carl Franklin did a great job on the Atlanta murders and could easily have taken over if available.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link
I’m assuming netflix just wouldn’t fund crap and he has a long schedule. What other commitments do the core cast have that? I love this show but….
― mh, Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:11 (one year ago) link
I skipped a couple words but you get it
Started another re-watch for a future Zoom. Debbie, first episode: "Didn't I see you on Soul Train?"
― clemenza, Monday, 8 May 2023 01:13 (ten months ago) link
I'm always kind of astonished at how much gets accomplished narratively in that first episode. It's a really deep and masterfully constructed hour.
― omar little, Monday, 8 May 2023 01:16 (ten months ago) link
Including how they get Tench in there sideways, standing in the wings listening to that one guy lecture.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 May 2023 01:20 (ten months ago) link
The BTK story didn't seem so unresolved to me this time. I think somewhere on this thread I misremembered how it finished: BTK burning stuff ended S1, not S2. It's still odd how S2 starts like they're going full tilt on BTK and then (with a couple of quick, high-profile detours) switch over to Atlanta midway. I've never read an account of what exactly happened, but it does feel like Fincher got pulled away by Mank or whatever and handed everything over to Carl Franklin. He does an excellent job on Atlanta (returning the show to some striking musical cues, too), so they caught a break there. Anyway, this time it felt more like bringing BTK to a close would have been too pat; it ends like it probably should, with the unsettling reality that these people will always be out there, somewhere.
The one thing I think they inarguably let slip away is Carr.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 May 2023 02:22 (ten months ago) link
My friend and I are down to nine more of these: a Zoomcast on the music in Mindhunter (mostly) and My Friend Dahmer (a little bit).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9H-lQe-8sk
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 June 2023 04:28 (nine months ago) link
Damn, this is great.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 23:32 (three months ago) link
Watching S1E2, and, above all else, I’m just so happy that Holt McCallany got to play a role like this.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 23:37 (three months ago) link
Sorry, I meant S1E5
I had no idea he'd been around for so long till I looked at his IMDB page. He's in one of my favourite movies, Casualties of War; must be a small part, not listed on the main cast page.
― clemenza, Thursday, 7 December 2023 02:11 (three months ago) link
i got a little bit of my Mindhunter jones from the Apple series Black Bird, which is another true crime serial killer profiling-type story. Similarly not exploitative, the only violence onscreen is during a prison riot when it's visited upon some prisoners and a couple of vv unlucky guards. It's a bit more pulpy but I thought it was very good. It features one of Ray Liotta's final performances and he's tough to watch, knowing what happens IRL soon and how his character's body is also failing him. Taron Egerton is pretty exceptional in the lead role, Paul Walter Hauser even better as real-life killer Larry Hall.
― omar little, Thursday, 7 December 2023 02:31 (three months ago) link
yeah Black Bird was a+ Hauser was so good! i only knew him from comedy roles before that
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 December 2023 02:41 (three months ago) link
Greg Kinnear, also good! His early scenes, interrogating Hall and faced with the inept local cops, were vv Mindhuntery.
― omar little, Thursday, 7 December 2023 02:45 (three months ago) link
yeah definitely!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 December 2023 03:27 (three months ago) link