Music Criticism in Video Form

I mean, derided by the music press, sure. Plenty of ppl in the audience might've felt differently, but there was no internet to tell that to.

also true

I don't think previous "edgy" subcultures recruited people
in the same way as these online hate communities, which appeal to people's frustration and sense of inadequacy to lure them into a radical political ideology. The alt right is more of a movement than a subculture, which is why it is so dangerous and why it has little to do with the old debates concerning controversial art, in which issues of "free expression" were salient.

they act like they still *are* salient though, which is the problem I was getting at upthread

The best way to describe it is like a public health crisis. This is like if the KKK staked out booths outside local high schools.

I'd argue that those things were derided in the mainstream media but embraced by a big chunk of the actual fanbase

also, I think the hipsterization of black metal (early 00s douches wearing Burzum shirts) was also contributed to the formation of the now-alt right

(along w/neo-folk, parts of industrial)

noisy shit nerds listen to while they're fragging noobs

Ehh I won't link to it but there's a 10-minute MDE youtube clip (which was linked to in an Atlantic article about World Peace) where Sam Hyde does a local stand-up routine full of stupid liberal-baiting and ethnic stereotypes. He's then followed by a woman comic, whom Sam proceeds to heckle, goading her into tapping him in the face with the mic and then grabbing her by the wrist, intimidating her to the point where she's screaming at him to leave.

Yeah I've seen this (not recommended obviously) and I think it gets at so much of what this section of the alt-right crowd is all about; the entire goal is to "trigger" someone and leave them a stammering mess, have them way nasty things to you and then go "see what a hypocrite they are?". I remember a while back when someone suggested Sam Hyde was alt-right and my reaction was, "the MDE guy? he's kind of a idiot and a provocateur but his humor is too nihilistic and shallow to even give it that much credit". Of course I was way, way wrong about that, but still, that's the way he comes off most of the time. It's like someone getting pissed off at Steve Brule.

As for Fader v. Fantano, it does stink of resentment at someone who unlike most media critics has turned what he loves into a livable salary. As for his deleted channel, I've never seen it, but satire does have a history of being misinterpreted. I don't share much in musical taste with Fantano, and am likely to disagree on the rare occasion he chooses to review an album I enjoy. But I can see how his enthusiasm could be infectious and appealing for others, for audiences that print criticism doesn't reach.

― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Come the fuck on. By this standard anyone more successful than you is above critique. It's an unrealizable ideal in a genre of art that is literally about people intellectual engagement with one another to say critiquing them is off limits

Everyone, I was wrong, there is in fact a new standard for music criticism in video form

THE ROCK REALLY WENT IN LIKE THAT 😩😩😩 pic.twitter.com/jmFbvAnm0e

— Complex Pop Culture (@ComplexPop) October 11, 2017

I am now actively campaigning for The Rock to be President.

you're probably joking but i'm pretty sure i would vote for the rock in any presidential contest idgaf

you should read this Caity Weaver piece

https://www.gq.com/story/dwayne-johnson-for-president-cover

I already did!

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

(apologies if GQ covered any of that)

not only do i think he'd make a good president but i think he would easily win he's widely beloved and one of the most charismatic + engaging americans alive

His solicitude, I realize, is also why he wanted to drive: Johnson's “private gym” is situated in one of the top ten worst locations I have ever been, including all grocery-store bathrooms. “This is why I didn't want Uber to just drop you off here,” he says as he pulls into a desolate parking lot. “Because this is a shitty neighborhood.”

What Dwayne Johnson calls “a shitty neighborhood” could more accurately be styled “a void of humanity right here in sunny California.” It's somewhere you could go to procure the bulk materials needed to construct a shitty neighborhood: DOORS, promises a sign on one empty building; SIGNS, another. Johnson parks his Escalade next to an abandoned Honda Prelude.

“Where are we?” I ask, unable to believe that my best friend has brought me here. “Warehouse district,” he announces proudly, unlocking an unmarked metal slab of a door. “Private gym.” He holds the slab open for me.

“I'm in the process of looking for a bigger space***,” says Johnson, his voice bouncing off the cavernous walls of the biggest space I have ever seen.

***the white house???

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

I take it you haven't seen Snitch. You should; it's a good movie and deals with a lot of this stuff.

I have not though he didn't write or direct it? (I do see he has a producer credit but that could mean a lot of things.)

i don't know how fleshed out his policies are - his background and comments over the years suggests to me that he probably wouldn't do much for you re american exceptionalism in foreign policy, but is pro reforming the prison industry and drug enforcement laws. he's apparently making a documentary on the topic for hbo - spin writes about it: "By all indications, the doc is meant to make the case that a carefully-regimented boot camp system, mixing punishment and rehabilitation strategies, could be an effective substitute for long prison sentences, and a better way to combat recidivism." -- he was arrested a few times as a young person. more importantly to me he seems to genuinely care about people and want to do the right thing, and he seems very smart and capable. there's some ambiguity about whether he'd even run as a dem or rep which probably speaks to how he hasn't taken firm stances on extremely controversial positions. i'm not sure that troubles me so much tho.

the right is also way better at reorienting the discourse so it uses their words. 'political correctness,' 'sjws,' 'fake news'... all of those terms (and way too many others) are not neutral and when people who posit themselves as such use them it's extremely disheartening

otm -- SJW's is exclusively used to attack women and people who defend women, fake news is used exclusively to attack even lightly critical takes on Trump or the right wing, etc

lets not forget this

@ScottAdamsSays brings up the topic of #SJW's in Dilbert! :Dhttps://t.co/L9cRW86lZn pic.twitter.com/ruIfcJhRxu

— Ford Freestar (@I_AM_IRON_VAN) June 15, 2016

was not aware rock and tyrese were no longer friends

i thought it was those who complain about sjw's online all day who scream 'censorship!' at the slightest pushback

WHO'S THE REAL SNOWFLAKE???

Some more on that Rock/Tyrese thing

https://www.avclub.com/boy-tyrese-is-really-struggling-to-get-this-feud-wit-1819376604

We live in a weird world where @vincestaples and @RonnieRadke openly beef on Twitter. O_____o

— thee anthony fantano (@theneedledrop) October 15, 2017

Ain’t you get caught being alt right this ain’t a good day to interact with me broseph I’m giving out the full clip. https://t.co/9aHIUHpTMG

— Vince Staples (@vincestaples) October 15, 2017

pic.twitter.com/qaBEdbexiL

— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) October 15, 2017

god bless Vince Staples

wow all the defenders crowding the replies. the internet is great

@ScottAdamsSays brings up the topic of #SJW's in Dilbert! :Dhttps://t.co/L9cRW86lZn pic.twitter.com/ruIfcJhRxu
— Ford Freestar (@I_AM_IRON_VAN) June 15, 2016

I don't remember ever being asked to identify with the boss character when I used to read the strip with regularity (like 20 years ago). it's like one day Adams took this character he designed to be an antagonistic moron and decided "hey, he's right"

America did that too

"Understanding Ween"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaoQRn4XyDI

i dunno why i find this fascinating. feels like a different experience for the outre-music-neophyte to randomly encounter a whole comprehensive rundown of a fairly deep band's career with all the refs and in-jokes detailed instead of randomly encountering, say, a single song or a review of an album as an introduction. ween's kind of become a meme band i guess so ppl might hear 'ocean man' and then come find a vid like this. 70k views in a cpl weeks is pretty good.

wow that channel is more like 'understanding men'

hmm yeah actually let's talk about men vs women some more. i think men are better musicians and music critics. thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

hey man i'm just posting about their somewhat alienating subject matter. feel free to mute me :)

lol i would never. but seriously whatever who cares i lost interest already. dudes lol.

man finally we found some nerdy dude in the internet willing to explain how "weird" ween is ad nauseum

It's unique, and has never been attempted, so hark! Hosannas!

Honestly I'm shocked the video isn't titled Ween: Explained. Youtube clickbait has ruined my trust. Is this like that stuff p4k does these days? You know ..."content"?

https://www.spin.com/2018/03/anthony-fantano-needle-drop-fader-settlement/?utm_source=share-tw&utm_medium=button

am i too online to wonder if charles harder is somehow involved

This fucking prick again.

Thank you to everyone who supported me and stood up for me. I learned who really cares about me, and won't forget that.

— 15-year-old Atheist (@theneedledrop) March 21, 2018

one for the history books

"The claims were settled"

well that's fucking ambiguous

Dude's awesome.

― ksh, Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:02 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf

what was even objectionable about the article to the extent that it should be removed? iirc it did not even claim anything that wasn't veritably true