The cover for Billy Corgan's new album...

guy should've read more blamonet

Billy absolutely went on blamo & netphoria & the o-board. i mean he uses SPFC to remember lyrics in all those Madame ZuZus performances.

https://www.channel4.com/news/billy-corgan-on-fake-news

The most surprising thing to me is not Billy's, um, views, but the fact that Channel 4 sent a crew over to do the interview in the first place. Didn't think the UK cared that much for BC/SP anymore, and I have lived in the UK for almost a decade.

oh yeah that's right every time i engage with a mediocre new billy corgan project i need to remind myself that he somehow sucks even more now than he used to

"seems to back conspiracy theories"

quality reporting there

why do you guys give this asshole a pass

I mean it'd be one thing if he was still creating good, compelling work but he isn't and he hasn't for a couple decades now

smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go

Never been a Corgan/SP fan, but am a sucker for Rick Rubin elder production (Neil Diamond's 12 Songs as much as Cash). Into this, two songs in.

"smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)"

I relate with this so badly. Still have to listen to the new one, but i'm so afraid.

burn your idols

I mean it'd be one thing if he was still creating good, compelling work but he isn't and he hasn't for a couple decades now

― Οὖτις, Monday, October 9, 2017 12:22 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm with Brad, SP is my favorite band & their music has been with me my whole life, although i disagree with this, couple decades is too harsh (Adore, SP's last masterpiece, came out in '98, & the Machina albums are awesome even if unfinished/compromised). he's still an amazing guitarist, and I really, really love "Aeronaut." even if you just count material written & recorded '88-00, that's nearly 200 songs, and I can't think of many SP1 bonafide duds.

i haven't seen the interview but i'm sure it's indefensible & stupid

Is Billy Corngasm actually going by 'Bill' these days or is that all you, flappy?

he's going by william patrick corgan

no i just think it's funny to call him Bill. and yeah he's going by his full name or just WPC for this record

i'd like to upgrade my opinion from "not embarrassing" to "my favorite thing dude's put out since machina 2"

yes!!!

He was on Howard today. Great interview, less rushed than 2014 and as good as 2012. Clearly happier & more relaxed now. Still somewhat cranky but fatherhood has really sanded the edges down. No crazy talk. He performed 1979, Aeronaut, and Neil Young's After the Gold Rush on acoustic guitar. Some interesting bits:

-Reiterated how grateful he is to James, D'arcy, and Jimmy for supporting him 100% from the very beginning - from his singing voice, to his songs, to his "zig-zag" stylistic turns in the early pre-Gish years and beyond. He's on good terms with all 3 now.
-He was recently apologizing to D'arcy for being an asshole in the band and she cut him off and said, "Billy. You wrote so many great songs, we never would've done that without you being that way. We were lazy, we were misguided. You had to be that way." Said it was a profoundly healing moment.
-Chris Fabian tried to gain ownership of Billy's catalogue of songs when they were getting a divorce.
-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.
-Not on good terms with his father right now, didn't come to visit his son.
-Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.

-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.

i never knew this but it's certainly one of the best songs he's ever written

agreed. especially when he performs it acoustically. there's a great performance from Steve Jones' radio show in 2005, and he's been doing it on the current tour. Really excited for the show on Wednesday - at the two shows he did in Brooklyn, he didn't repeat a single song in the second set. First set is the new album + "If I Were a Carpenter" by Tim Hardin.

Also, as far as his voice is concerned... I don't think he was lying when he said he could "slip into the old Pumpkins voice" whenever he wanted. This video gave me chills. Sounds like a mid-90's performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjWD05OTZug

he also said that he's met a reptilian and hinted at anderson cooper being a globalist illuminati guy

anderson cooper's hit piece on Billy's charity mag cover with his cats was inexplicable & bizarre though. the way he described it was exactly as it went down. I don't blame him for making those "FUCK YOU ANDERSON COOPER" t-shirts in 2014. as for the "shapeshifter" (his words), my man was talking about his mom's ghost stealing pages of his memoir and psychics seeing dead friends earlier in the interview. he's always been drawn to that stuff & super paranoid- I think in the Kim Thayil "the core, the heart music" thread, there's a link to a post from someone who worked with him circa 2009, when Billy bought a bunch of gold bricks because he was convinced the dollar was about to collapse.

it wasnt that bizarre. he has a silly segment on his show for lol fun stuff and that pic was a meme before anderson ever put it on his show.

No crazy talk.
Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.

yeah that's just a cool story

it wasnt that bizarre. he has a silly segment on his show for lol fun stuff and that pic was a meme before anderson ever put it on his show.

I disagree. yes it was a meme, it's a cute & funny pic, but Cooper's piece was so mean-spirited, lacked context & was disingenuous. It was a misleading segment- and yeah it was a tag at the end of his show, but I don't blame Billy for being pissed. I usually laugh at Billy when his persecution complex flares up, but this was a weird one. Don't know if AC is going to Eyes Wide Shut ceremonies but w/e, Billy was fine today.

I can understand someone not clued into Billy Corgan's activities in 2014 (aka most people) not knowing that it was a charity mag, that Billy's done "silly"/"schmaltzy" stuff like this his entire career, that the Smashing Pumpkins or even Billy were still active and making work. But to do such a nasty piece w/o any journalistic regard for real fact-checking, it was really weird. and yeah, lol fun segment sure, but it's CNN.

(Billy Corgan pic) "look at this idiot fool Corgan"
–Anderson Cooper

he hurt him deeply, he hurt him deeply in his heart

the chorus of "Processional" keeps hitting me really hard. the first side of this record is really fucking phenomenal. can't wait for the show tomorrow.

You're seeing him tomorrow? Still not listened to the new one. Constant 'just when I thought I was out he pulls me back in' feels with this dude. I'll cave, no doubt.

Dude, listen to it. I'm pretty forgiving of his post-2000 work but I'm completely with Brad, it's by far the best album he's done since the Pumpkins split. There have been great moments in the last 17 years, but this is seriously something else. Sound palette is really nice (all piano/acoustic guitar/strings/mellotron), the songs are really strong, and he sounds like he actually gives a shit for once. He sounds open and vulnerable in a way he hasn't in a really long time. He also sounds happier and more relaxed. It's the most earnest work he's done since Adore. It's the same Pumpkins magic - like, any song on side 1 could fit in on Mellon Collie. I also feel a strange personal investment in Billy's happiness and state of mind that isn't that uncommon with big SP fans and I'm really happy that he sounds like he has his life more or less figured out at this point. It's a great fucking record.

such a great show. the new album is so, so beautiful. this is exactly the context he needs to be in at 50: by himself with a piano and a guitar (and a little bit of harmonica!).

first set was the new record + "If I Were a Carpenter" by Tim Hardin

second set:

Starla
Pale Horse
Muzzle
Of a Broken Heart
Landslide
Annie-Dog
Columbus
Soma
Wish You Were Here
Drum + Fife
Winterlong
Gossamer
Stand Inside Your Love
Tonight, Tonight
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Spaceboy
Age of Innocence
Farewell and Goodnight

Oceania was the last gasp, IMO.

Pale Horse on piano was great

Oceania was the last gasp, IMO.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:50 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that last gasp sure was recent

I fucking love this new album by William Patrick Corgan :-/

it's great :\

that last gasp sure was recent

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:05 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Indeed, but it came after a near-decade of not particularly great music, and was followed by a half-decade of not particularly great music. Including this. So that's... what? One excellent album in nearly 15 years? Yeah. Cool.

this record is much better than oceania but ok dude

yeah no contest this is by far the best thing he's done in many, many years. this is a record i'll be listening to more than a week after release.

also, seeing him play a lot of "lesser" later songs last night on piano/acoustic guitar showed that his ability to write great songs & melodies hasn't diminished as much as he's lost his ear for production & going too far in the studio. he made me like Drum + Fife last night on the piano. Pale Horse was another highlight. thank god for rick rubin

'Pale Horse' is always a highlight.

WPC's voice has so much weird vibrato that it sounds insane when he harmonizes the longer notes in Amarinthe

Turrican -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKGVw4-CN0

I'm suddenly wanting to listen to Oceania again ... 'Panopticon' fucking rules.

lol this video rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_4dx_0Qdk

the second set in LA last night was pretty nuts. he's doing four nights at Hollywood Forever Cemetery, first two nights were the same as the rest of the tour, last night after Ogilala he played:

Jesus is the Sun
Crush
Snail
Purr Snickety
Mayonaise
Rocket
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
In the Arms of Sleep
Galapagos
Shame
Tear
Perfect
Wound
With Every Light
Glass and the Ghost Children
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The End of the World [Skeeter Davis]
Let Me Give the World To You

wow that’s a fucking setlist

damn