Guess: The chart position that the new Morrissey album "Low in High School" debuts at.

RE Armond:

Laziness with moral and social implications make this song almost Chekhov-like, resembling the short story “Oblomov” about a man who stayed in bed as a refusal of middle-class routine.

Oblomov isn't a short story, it's a 500 page novel which he clearly hasn't read.

i haven't read it either but you can't have read a big russian novel and thought it was a short story ffs.

Between two and ten

and that story, wow.

I know someone who knows the Estrons (I think he knows Catherine Anne Davis too) and when I was talking to him about this, he said Paul Draper has a really bad reputation for this kind of thing. I don't love Mansun like I used to (they were my favourite band as a teenager) but I was still rooting for Paul. Not anymore.

'the dipshit out of mansun' in dipshit behaviour shocker

Ok this Mansun band is fucking terrible England what is wrong w u?

the 90s were a confusing time

well this took an unfortunate turn

afternoon thread truancy

At this point, he shifts into one of his great media invectives: “I recommend that you stop watching the news.”

is one line an "invective"?

"England what is wrong w u?"

Some blokes from Chester took it upon themselves to balance out all the good done by jungle, UKHC & drum&bass earlier that decade by releasing an indie prog album featuring Tom Baker as narrator. And they made a good fist of the job.

Six will always be a personal favourite but it doesn't exactly shatter my worldview to learn that paul draper is a twat

this song almost Chekhov-like, resembling the short story “Oblomov”

Oblomov isn't a short story, it's a 500 page novel which he clearly hasn't read.

― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:23 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i haven't read it either but you can't have read a big russian novel and thought it was a short story ffs.

― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:27 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol and also it's by Goncharov, it's like saying "this song is almost Hardy-esque, resembling the short story "Bleak House."

lol

This thread has had more legs thanks to Paulo Draper. Would never have guessed.

Six will always be a personal favourite but it doesn't exactly shatter my worldview to learn that paul draper is a twat

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 17:50 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this

This week's most cancelled pre-order: 'Low In High School' by Morrissey: https://t.co/IOlNcfFKZM

— Norman Records (@normanrecords) October 5, 2017

haha damn

"People were pre-ordering the album, just so they could cancel it"

hard for me to think of a rock icon who has so annoyed and sickened 1/2 of his fanbase by simply being himself. (the other half are as fervent as ever )

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

this tedious old racist cancelled his show tonight, half an hour after he was due onstage, on the grounds that it was too chilly outside

After all this, it'll probably still make number one. Unless Sam Smith.

I like him

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Late news: Mozambique withdraws album because the charts are too cold.

this album is not good

Mozambique? Just seen that...

Ahem. S/be "Moz"

Morrissey's interview with 'Der Spiegel' ensures that his German chart position won't be great either:

Morrissey’s interview with Der Spiegel was going quite well until he called the EU a “German empire” and Berlin “the capital of rape” pic.twitter.com/XTfidmkDo9

— Philip Oltermann (@philipoltermann) November 18, 2017

https://www.stereogum.com/1972241/morrissey-defends-kevin-spacey-and-harvey-weinstein-saying-victims-shouldve-known-what-could-happen/news/

"If you go through history, almost everyone is guilty of sleeping with minors." c'mon Moz

So very very VERY done with this man.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/review-morrisseys-low-in-high-school-w512057

"Teach your kids to recognize and despise all the propaganda/Filtered down by the dead echelon's mainstream media." c'mon Moz

I feel like he and Corgan could be BFFs now.

Fitting that The Quietus got Mr Agreeable out of semi-retirement to review this.

I feel like he and Corgan could be BFFs now

https://i.imgur.com/FF4BKHL.png

maybe Paul Joseph Watson is our generation's Morrissey

More like Morrissey is the Paul Joseph Watson of the geriatric indie kid generation.

Morrissey and Alex Jones both being barrel-chested middle-aged men who take their shirts of in public feels significant though.

Jello Biafra another member of this club:

http://musica.culturamix.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/jello-biafra/jello-biafra-14.jpg

lmao @ thinking this cunt is "two shitty opinions away" from anything in 2017 tho

*even more decades of unvarying littlejohn gobshite antics elapse* yes I'm definitely beginning to think morrissey might be straying from the righteous path somewhat

btw this album is terrible.

tbf I don't think Jello Biafra is likely to end up espousing any of these views any time soon

It's always weird to see anyone focus on chart positions in the 21st Century.

Mr Agreeable review is thrilling.

Every time Morrissey says some new horrible thing in an interview, two thing invariably happen. First, I feel disheartened and frustrated as a huge fan of his music, bewildered yet again at how out of step he is with the concerns of his own fans, and convinced that he has no one in his life who is not an employee or a sycophant to give him any perspective. You'd think I'd be used to this by now, but I'm not, and I doubt I ever will be.

But then I also feel frustrated by all the people I see issuing their latest denunciation of Morrissey, because I know that many of them are avowed fans of artists whose political views and/or personal behavior are at least as bad as his, if not worse. Admittedly, part of this is just me being defensive. But it's not that I want Morrissey to get a pass. It's more that I wish everyone in music who says or does repulsive things would get the kind of ridicule that Morrissey rightly does.

It reminds me of that Onion article, Man Always Gets Little Rush Out of Telling People John Lennon Beat Wife. There are definitely people who get a little rush out of talking about Morrissey's racism, and now, his idiotic victim-blaming--even as they themselves are unapologetic fans of '70s rock stars whose racial views were dubious at best, and who had sex with untold numbers of underage girls, for example.

This is not passive-aggressively directed at anyone in this thread, by the way. I don't know if it applies to any of you. I'm thinking of other people.

The new album has at least a couple of really good songs on it. "Spent the Day In Bed" still sucks.

nothing morrissey ever does really seems out of character to me. he strikes me as amazingly consistently annoying, personally, since at least 1992 or so. in fact I can think of no other rock star who has let more of his fans down on a regular basis by simply being himself.

Bloke is self centred. That is it.

No matter how horrible anything Morrissey says, it's still likeable than those bald fuckwads Quantick or Stubbs have ever managed

akm otm

the Ullrich book is allegedly the most rigorous + painstakingly researched study yet, but he admits the limitations of going through an archive with gaping gaps where huge parts of it were reduced to dust, but at least Morrissey's risible vanity novel still exists!

a brief google tells me that the evidence on Hitler's diet is mixed but Morrissey is definitely a racist

idk about how "committed" he is to the animal rights cause, I suppose as much as any other interminable PETA gobshite who can't even be arsed to go vegan

4 real. re-title your album 'cheese is murder' or stfu imo

he has Irish cheddar on his rider. he is pre-vegan veggoe for life

Ullrich suggests that Hitler's vegetarian diet was linked to his "pathological mix of fear of mortality and messianic conviction". He was more shit-scared of getting cancer than getting assassinated and was convinced he wouldn't get to 50, to do his important work. But I am sure at the odd BBQ he said "fuck it".

Irish Cheddar, English Heart Disease

irish cheddar seems like something he'd be culturally (rather than politically) opposed to

he's a Galtee dude

an expect-a-wexford mystery xp

"Irish Cheddar on the Rider" should be the title of his next album

holy shit this album suuuuuuuuucks aaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

lol you listened to the album

i also listened to every eagles track in sequence for a few months i have problems

Dropped from 5 to 48 this week. Have seen worse.

Not much though.

Does Ulrich’s book contain much stuff on the Liverpool Hitlers, or give any credence to the idea that Adolf went there on holiday when he was younger?

No mention of that + he also dismisses other things like one testicle, syphilis, mythical French girl called Charlotte he got pregnant and the Jewish grandfather.

Rise and Fall of the Third Reich guy repeated a lot of allied propaganda without question imo

and is a total homophobic dick.

well was, of course. A true product of his era I suppose.

I seem to remember him going especially into apoplectic rage over Röhm's homosexuality and any other Nazi gays, repeatedly.

This album has grown on me. Even "Spent the Day in Bed" is alright to me now, it's really just the lyrics I don't care for. I think "Home Is a Question Mark" is a winner. It might be his worst LP, but there's some good stuff in there.

His new fixation on Israel is something. I'm guessing he played some shows there and liked the way he was received, so naturally he's got a song called "Israel" now, with lyrics like "they who reign abuse upon you / they are jealous of you as well". That was pretty much what I was afraid of when I saw the song title.

Readers of this thread may also be interested to know that at the show in DC last night, he touted this album's #1 placement on the US and UK vinyl charts, while also saying that it went to #10 on the "US... other charts" (actually #20 on the Billboard 200, but #3 on the rock album chart, I've just learned).

calz absolutely correct about Shirer -/I've.remembered his name now!

wondering now if this dimension of the shirer book (pub.1960) was what was responsible for the rash of films in the early 70s stressing the sexual decadence of the third reich (the damned, the night porter etc), which mostly starred dirk bogarde and were lapped up by some of the punky foax SPM admired when young (punky foax often cheekily pro the queer-cult elements the film-makers were a lot more ambivalent abt)

Could well be the case, because there wasn't a lot of competition for Shirer's book, and as turgid as it is - it was still probably the most comprehensive guide to the Nazis going right into the 70's, unless I've missed something.

yes, that's what i remember from the early 70s: grown-ups reading it and talking about it bcz it covered a lot of ground (not just sex) that was basically new to the general reading public

I think it's v readable! it's just bollocks is all

I read about a quarter of it and then audio-booked the rest and it is entertaining bollox. But to some extent all Hitler books are bollox and often over-reliant on Goebbels horrible diaries or like Shirer writing works of fiction really, which I think even Kershaw is guilty of to some extent. They just haven't got that nebulous Soviet archive that Stalin biographers have, which are so fucking massive they overwhelm some people.

*lol just spellchecked + Goebbels horrible Dairies almost submitted.

This week (or next), Moz dreams of number five....