xpost Springsteen is not going to be covering Tom Petty on Broadway, I don't think. It's a very specific show, with a setlist and script and everything.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
thank you for acknowledging the otmness of my post VG :) look at this guyhttp://img.wennermedia.com/social/rs-tom-petty-and-the-heartbreakers-2bbad677-1d62-4b31-af27-e1f081f19e2b.jpg
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
Benmont Tench talks:
How did you feel about Tom's decision to make Full Moon Fever as a solo album?I was pissed off and hurt. I was also worried he'd split up the band because there was conflict within the group at that time. There wouldn't be anybody coming to blows, but Tom and Stan [Lynch] would have disagreements, and Stan would leave the band, or get fired, and then come back less than a week later. Stan was always worried that Tom would go [solo], or just grab Mike and pack up. So when he did that, that's how it felt. I was also pissed by the way I found out about it. We were supposed to make a Heartbreakers record. I called the main guy on our crew about a week before we were supposed to start to ask what time we were coming in. He just said, "Uh. . . ummmm." He hemmed and hawed and finally told me they were making a solo record. Nobody told me.
Wow.So that’s one side of the story. The other side of the story is that I was out of my mind on cocaine and alcohol. I was a very high man and deeply troubled with drugs and alcohol, so I thank Jeff Lynne. I had nothing to do with Full Moon Fever, so I got to go to rehab, and it saved my life. Also, hell, I'd been doing session work for years by that time. Why the fuck shouldn't Tom go play with someone else and have fun too?
Stan Lynch had a different take on the situation.That may be. My take on that record is that I like bands that count to four and play loud. Jeff [Lynne] is a constructionist from the Brian Wilson school. It's a gorgeous school, but it's very different. I prefer the way we play the Full Moon Fever songs live to the way they sound on the record, but the 7 million people that bought Full Moon Fever might disagree.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
xpost grade A boyfriend material
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
lol @ “i was a very high man”i cant not hear it in a Forest Gump voice
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
la lechera & vg very much otm re: petty's earlier style
― marcos, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
tbh never really thought of that since im used to superbowl bearded late petty but younger petty <3
― marcos, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
total hottie
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
That photo's angle disguises how crazy tall Ron Blair is.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
kinda blows my mind that "Don't Do Me Like That" reached #10 and "Refugee" only got to #15 in the US.
both songs are great, obv.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
"Don't Do Me Like That" actually dates back to Mudcrutch. Iovine heard it on an old tape and demanded Petty re-record it.
― DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
cool, thanks, did not know that but it makes sense
down the wiki rabbit hole and found this great quote from Kim Basinger about the "Mary Jane's Last Dance" video, where she played a dead woman:
Now that was one of the coolest things I’ve ever done in my life. It was classic, wasn’t it? He was a doll, and he was so sweet and asked me to do it, and both of us are extremely shy so we just said three words to each other the whole time. I’ll never forget how heavy that dress was! And I had to be dead the whole time. You know, it’s really one of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life, because I had to be completely weightless to be in his arms the way I was. It won all those awards, and the kids love it—even today! — Kim Basinger[14]
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
Petty only scored two top tens solo and as Heartbreakers *: "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Free Fallin." Heavy MTV play created the impression that "Don't Come Around Here No More," "You Got Lucky," "Jammin' Me," and especially "Into the Great Wide Open" rode the Billboard top ten for months.
* "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" with Stevie Nicks is his highest charting hit (#3, fall '81).
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
iirc, in the Bogdonavich doc, Stan talks about how difficult recording with Lynne was. And it makes sense: you spend x years playing together, developing and honing and perfecting this unique band dynamic, and then the producer comes in and asks everyone to record separately.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
"oh and also add 10 acoustic guitar overdubs"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
what does Petty say in the doc about ITGWO? Something like "A noble experiment, but a difficult one," po-faced.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
of course Tom I would LOVE to come over & listen to records with you <3 <3
https://sonicmoremusic.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/musiciansvinyl6.jpg
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
http://tompetty.rocks/images/George/tumblr_n9sghuEDqU1qalx0to1_500.png
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
this is the only one of these dumb “words on a fence paling” crafty things that i have seen that i would ever buy and that may just be grief talking
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/17/89/521789ca58b09cb6d2e37e9804b4ef0e--tom-petty-lyrics-tom-petty-quotes.jpg
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
man: hearing "it's good to be king" for the first time since the mid 90s on the Flanagan/Fricke/Griffin wake. This is where the Lynne approach really works like a muhfuh… piano weaving into the string arrangement on the outro is sooo nice…
what's the most atypical but well known TP tune?
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
probably "don't come around here no more" —he never really pursued that sound afterwards, right?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
iirc, in the Bogdonavich doc, Stan talks about how difficult recording with Lynne was
I gotta say, in the Zanes book, Lynch comes off like someone for whom everything was difficult—and if it wasn't, he'd make it that way. He ends up seeming like such an asshole, you can't believe he lasted as long in the band as he did. It goes beyond musical differences to won't-someone-punch-this-guy-in-the-throat-already?
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
Naturally, Lynch found a partisan in Don Henley.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
aturally, Lynch found a partisan copy editor in Don Henley.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
I still end up liking Lynch a little in the doc. He's forthright. Re the FMF songs: "I thought they sucked. I didn't wanna play on'em."
re placing Petty in a Dylan / Byrds 60s tradition or a hardworking hardrocking ZZ Top / AC/DC lineage, I'm no expert but isn't a big part of his appeal that he does awesome power pop anthems?
I guess power pop is not the clearest defined genre but all the same feels like Petty was king of it
― niels, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
Re: Damn the Torpedoes, you can easily make the case it's not your favorite, but there's no denying Refugee.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:57 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I can and will make the case "Even the Losers" is better than "Refugee" which is why it's my favorite on account of my excellent and refined taste in rock music.
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
Anyway, my obit.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
Even the Losers is awesome, and you won't get any argument from me if you think it is better than Refugee. My point is that Refugee is such a clear stand out in anybody's catalog that I won't begrudge anybody pointing to it as their own favorite. Now, if you said Jammin Me was better than Refugee we might have argument.I feel like we have gone over this a lot elsewhere, but in the Zanes book Stan comes across a total dick, sort of like a more erratic Stewart Copeland, and Tom gives him second chance after chance after chance after chance. Scans that it caused Tom lots of stress. Keep in mind, this all began as early as the Damn the Torpedoes sessions, with Tom having to come to Stan's rescue, and he kept Stan around all the way up to the greatest hits sessions. I think Stan is the kind of drummer who never does the same take twice, but Tom was drawn to session guys who could do the same thing over and over again. Though in Stan's defense, there is not a single Steve drum part as memorable as many of Stan's best.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Alfred - you're combining two album titles there, Echo and The Last DJ.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
Walked by Potbelly Sandwich Shop in the Skyway at lunch and the guitar player/singer was playing "Free Fallin'"
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
Ican and will make the case "Even the Losers" is better than "Refugee" which is why it's my favorite on account of my excellent and refined taste in rock music.
Well yeah. "Even the Losers" is the pettiest petty that petty ever pettied. That and "Insider" were 1-2 on my ballot and would be today and will be in 20 years if I'm still around and we do it again.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
i read the poll thread & idk why i didnt vote, lame me!! weird seeing so much later-petty ranked so high
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson),
good catch -- thanks
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
The Last Echo sounds like a missing Neil Young album.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
Refugee, Stop Draggin', and Don't Come Around Here are each megaclassics in their own way.
― cornballio (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
I played "American Girl" for student-entry music today. My first choice would have been "Listen to Her Heart," but there's that line about cocaine, and we've got a new principal. Sorry, Tom Petty, just wasn't ready to put that to the test.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
Intro to American Girl is just so incredibly exciting to me
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
^^^ whole song exciting to me: intro, verses, chorus, outro. Only thing I'm not 100% excited by is the little disco/funk breakdown, but it works. Amazing song.
― "Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
It's a testament to Mike Campbell's skill that one of the definitely jangly 12-string songs doesn't even have an actual 12-string on it.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
I liked that anecdote by Roger McGuinn about his manager playing him "American Girl" and asking "When did I record this?"
Big AOR hit in 1990:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_LtVkCe18
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
^^Also makes clear how much of McGuinn's vocal style Petty adopted.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
In an interview with Campbell I just saw he dismisses Byrds comparisons and actually almost abandoned the track because he thought it sounded too much like Skynyrd. Which is, you know, crazy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
I read somewhere that Petty said they were aiming for Bo Diddley (most identifiable in the beat).
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
other than petty's mcguinn-y vocal, "american girl" really doesn't sound like the byrds
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
well, lack of 12 string or not, anything that sounds like 12 strings makes people bring up the byrds.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
RIP. Really wishing I hadn't sold my vinyl copy of Echo now.
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
^^Was just noticing on Amazon that the run from She's The One through The Last DJ is OOP on CD (with copies of the latter going for over $30!).
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
Though in Stan's defense, there is not a single Steve drum part as memorable as many of Stan's best.
Le bomb de truth
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:57 (six years ago) link
XP...and of course a couple weeks ago you could probably get copies of TLDJ stating at $1 or less.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 22:57 (six years ago) link