Now I'm listening to my rip, I think it's Red Sails.
― felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
Nope Look Back in Anger for sure. Sorry, I love the hell out of this and still forgot.
Fuck they rule imo, tho I'm a bit up and down on their discography.
― felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:58 (six years ago) link
this thread title is legendary, never change imo
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, September 29, 2017 2:26 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's of a piece with are "tim machine" the best thing david bowie ?
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
Visconti's new mix is...interesting. Lots of little background things are now clearly audible and some things that used to fight for space with Bowie's vocals (i.e Belew's guitar) have been toned down. Sucks the bass/low end seems murky and way too boosted but Dennis Davis is nicely prominent on some of the tracks. What a beast of a drummer.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 30 September 2017 13:19 (six years ago) link
irl lol at are "tim machine" the best thing david bowie ?
― niels, Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
suddenly he break into mouth singing"time machine! time machine!".
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
Lodger is great but honestly Bowie has at least 5-6 albums that are wall to wall classic and all in different ways picking just one seem impossible
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 30 September 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
Kinda weird to see Scary Monsters tacked onto the Berlin trilogy.. Kinda puts a cap on the classic era i guess. I'd love a straight up Berlin trilogy box with studio detritus and stuff..
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
Well firstly, "Berlin trilogy" has always been a bit of a stupid name for those three albums, and secondly I don't see that period of Bowie's work as being confined to just those three albums. For me, Station to Station up to Scary Monsters is the run. Low and "Heroes" are often cited as being an influence on post-punk/new wave/new romantic, but Station to Station's paranoid funk was just as influential. I can particularly hear Station to Station as being an influence on the likes of Telekon and Empires and Dance.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
Yeah I think of station to station through scary monsters as a group
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
Eno trilogy then.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
wow totally disagree, what's "stupid" about it, though?
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
Those three albums are of a piece
The two that bookend them don't fit as well
Totally stupid
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
Turrican you need to get better weed, dude
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
Another vote for Station to Station through Scary Monsters as a group.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
Scary Monsters artwork even references the 3 that proceed it. It's sort of the denouement, a summation in a more "mature" but accessible format hinting at the hits to come (for better or worse).
Station to Station is the transition.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
wow totally disagree, what's "stupid" about it, though?― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:47 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkThose three albums are of a pieceThe two that bookend them don't fit as wellTotally stupid― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkTurrican you need to get better weed, dude― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:47 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Low was made in France and Los Angeles, and Lodger was made in Switzerland and New York, and yes the two either side do bookend them very well. If I'd included Let's Dance, you'd have a point.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
Scary Monsters artwork even references the 3 that proceed it. It's sort of the denouement, a summation in a more "mature" but accessible format hinting at the hits to come (for better or worse).Station to Station is the transition.― dan selzer, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:53 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dan selzer, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:53 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yup, absolutely!
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
Feel mixed on the Berlin Triology title. I mean Bowie moved there in 1976 to escape drugs, so he was in a transitional period himself and it's a "state of mind". Going back to New York in 1980 lines up with the release of Scary Monsters...
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
It's weird how Lodger was underrated, for when I discovered rockcrit in the early '90s the Rolling Stone/Christgau claque preferred it to Low and "Heroes".
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
Smash Hits gave it a negative review at the time. This was before the magazine became more pop oriented post-Tennant (you'd think it would have been the other way around) ...
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
The Low and "The Heroes" you mean? (xp)
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
The correct.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
It was around the time of Lodger (1979) that Bowie began framing his previous two albums as the beginning of a Berlin-centered trilogy concluding with Lodger, largely as a marketing technique to support the unusual new album.[33]
― new noise, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
the station to the station
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
I've always thought the Iggy Pop album, "Idiot", is part of this sequence of albums.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
Yeah, The Idiot could be considered part of the run as well, either that or a companion piece to "Heroes".
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
Why do I bother?
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
That's a very good question.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
The The Idiot
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
I prefer Soul Mining.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
i like how hard ppl are working here to make the thread title not the worst bit of the thread
― mark s, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
certainly did my part
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 1 October 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
Bowie Berlin Trilogy vs. Fripp AOR Trilogy vs. ELP Trilogy vs. Donna Summer A Love Trilogy vs. Mahavishnu Orchestra "Trilogy" vs. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo "Trilogy of Terror" vs. Special Forces "Trilogy" vs. Trilogy "Love Me Forever or Love Me Not (The Dub of Doom Mix)" vs. Tarkus: FITE
― Andy K, Sunday, 1 October 2017 02:43 (six years ago) link
Young Americans is the start, it's the bold change in direction that makes the later albums possible
― the underground is pass-agg (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 1 October 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
See, I knew it wouldn't be long before someone said that and... I don't agree! While it does represent something of a clean break from what went before, and Station to Station retained one or two of its elements, stylistically I've always seen Young Americans as very much its own thing. It's much harder to make a case for Young Americans being an influence on post-punk/new wave/new romantic, and it doesn't have anywhere near the same feel as the five LP's that followed.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 1 October 2017 07:58 (six years ago) link
I hear its influence on those British soul boys of the eighties (Paul Young, Mick Hucknall).
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 October 2017 11:23 (six years ago) link
even Orange Juice.
It is its own thing, though, I agree.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 October 2017 11:24 (six years ago) link
"the lodger" is a much better album title than "lodger," bowie should have thanked mark s
I don't trust Visconti's mixing/engineering ear in 2016/17 however the mix on Lodger always sounded p weird to me on vinyl anyway. admittedly none of us had decent stereos when we were staying up late listening to "red money" so I'm not sure, but...skeptical of this effort.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 1 October 2017 11:41 (six years ago) link
everyone should thank me, all the time
― mark s, Sunday, 1 October 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
Lodger is a weird and somewhat frustrating sounding record (I downloaded all the hoffmann-y west German mastering etc trying to find one that sounded good to me) so I'm a bit curious about the remix but yeah mostly skeptical
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 1 October 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link
Interesting point about the influence on Hucknall. He was a huge fan of Eno-era Talking Heads; best exemplified by the Great Curve rip-off on the first album which amounts to a cover (Belew histrionics and all) in all but name
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr9x0lTTUi8
― piscesx, Sunday, 1 October 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
The new box set is enough of a shambles that its spawned a 200+ page Steve Hoffman Forum thread. I read it all. In the end, I guess I like my shitty pirate FLACs taken from pristine original vinyl.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 6 October 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
agreed, lol
― sleeve, Friday, 6 October 2017 03:00 (six years ago) link
I've almost never been interested in a remaster even when it's objectively "better" or "truer to the original intent" or even "fixed a clearly fucked up original release" of anything that I've grown up with.
― dan selzer, Friday, 6 October 2017 03:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'm pretty much the same, although there have been exceptions. Not that remixes/remasters can't be revelatory, but generally an album as originally released is "the original" for me.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 6 October 2017 05:53 (six years ago) link
There are remasters that I have thanked the stars above for and ones I've abhorred. With Bowie, I have to say I'm glad i dug around the Hoffman board on that subject because for the most part I like the original wave of cd masterings better than the ryko and WAY better than the emi remasters. Have not sufficiently listened to the recent box set series
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:23 (six years ago) link
I bought the ‘ANCIANT’ box, volume drop on “Horoes” aside i’ve not noticed anything that was problematic for me. Like the sound of the new master of ‘Low’ and the new mix of ‘Lodger’, but these are not albums I have long held relationships with/ impressions of, plus I’ve not been doing a/b comparisons on every note.
― michaellambert, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
Hoffmann-y Post Of The Day: The German RCA versions of The Berlin Trilogy are beeeeeyooootiful. Nothing's boosted or lowered, sound clear and powerful when they need to.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 6 October 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
is that vinyl or CD?
― sleeve, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link