some books r just cinematic, i wonder what that quality is exactly
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 September 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
anyway im there for this i loved ex machina
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 September 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
same here *unbookmarks thread*
― Nhex, Friday, 29 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
I don’t think the books were unsatisfying. They were each pieces of a puzzle that didn’t totally add up, but suggested a cosmic horror rooted in overgrowth/environmental cancer/corruption/body-doubling/ineffectual bureaucratic conspiracy. All three of the novele brought different perspectives to a situation that was implied to be beyond human comprehension, while kicking the story just a little further down the road.
The tv show “lost” is a facile comparison.... some combination of “the prisoner” and “the thing” and Lisa Frank seems more apt.
― rb (soda), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
This looks awesome, can’t wait. Loved the book(s)
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
Interesting if familiar story -- as a friend said on Twitter just now, regarding the reaction of the initial test audience, "Make it NOT the book."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/annihilation-how-a-clash-between-producers-led-a-netflix-deal-1065465
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 December 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
I try not to judge a book by its cover but holy cow does David Ellison have severe jerkface
― Dan I., Friday, 8 December 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
Oh, it's Larry's son. Say no more.
― Dan I., Friday, 8 December 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link
I like the logic of 'This film is too complex, let's dumb it down to be more like Geostorm, which was a big failure for us!'
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 8 December 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
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― The Spilling of a Sacred Beer (latebloomer), Friday, 8 December 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
holy shit
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 8 December 2017 11:22 (six years ago) link
amazing
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 December 2017 11:40 (six years ago) link
First I've heard of Geostorm.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 8 December 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link
tbf ...
https://tmhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Josh-Homme-near-death-meditation-w2.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 December 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
Annnnd new trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89OP78l9oF0
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
Interesting contrast to the first trailer!
― Brad C., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
Good interview w/Garland
http://collider.com/alex-garland-annihilation-interview/amp/
― The Spilling of a Sacred Beer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 December 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
he's familiar with stalker but still thought annihilation was genuinely original?
― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
Garland is not exactly a great interviewee is he... I feel somewhat deflated and standoffish now and I didn't even read the whole interview.
― fields of salmon, Friday, 15 December 2017 05:05 (six years ago) link
early reviews seem generally positive so far... I'm dialing up some cautious optimism and will try to catch it this weekend
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
this is going to be another one of those amazing sci-fi megabombs that lasts like 3 weeks in the theater isn't it
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
The poster and the font and Portman all make me think this is some kind of Phantom Menace sequel with M16s instead of lasers guns
― calstars, Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
Gotta say, that movie title sells itself in this moment in time.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
Queen Amidala in "Stalker 2018"
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
Exactly
― calstars, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Queen Amidala’s double in Predator 2049: Return to Tatooine
― calstars, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
Endor, that is
― calstars, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
If the book is a combo of Roadside Picnic & Mountains of Madness, I’m curious how much of that will translate to the screen.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 24 February 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
Would prefer Marble Madness
― calstars, Saturday, 24 February 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
Saw this last night. I really liked it. It’s a verrrrrrrry loose adaptation but it does capture the general atmosphere of the book.
There’s a lot of stuff in here that is going to reward repeat viewings.
― The Spilling of a Sacred Beer (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 February 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
no uk cinema release wtf
― lana del boy (ledge), Saturday, 24 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
wait waht
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 24 February 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
apparently this is being released only in the US, Canada, and China, with other rights already sold to Netflix
― Brad C., Saturday, 24 February 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
Man this guy loves Tarkovsky. Liberally rips off Stalker & Solaris in almost equal measure (mostly Stalker, but the final scene & the whole idea of being able/unable to love a simulacrum of your dead spouse- I mean give me a break). Still, you could do worse when ripping people off. I liked it a lot, and it had a fairly rowdy matinee audience totally gripped and silent, and there was no moaning or groaning when the credits rolled without a lot of questions answered or threads resolved. But having seen Solaris and Stalker, I'm not left with much to think about. Garland not only took the exact imagery of those films, sometimes down to specific shots (underwater seaweed just like the opening shot of Solaris), but all of the ideas are Tarkovsky's. So I'm not sure what to make of it, glad it's out there, it's very well made and paced and it's nice that there's more "intelligent" sci-fi out there that could be successful (posters and advertising and the shit title - i know it's based on a novel - made it look like some Hunger Games shit), but... what's the point if you've seen Solaris and Stalker?
― flappy bird, Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
In fairness the Stalker homage is baked into the book
― change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 25 February 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
yeah, along with the really lame title. again I liked the film, I like Garland a lot, but the similarities were overbearing and distracting and most importantly, left me with little to think about. But I just saw it a couple hours ago (ha!), so we'll see I suppose. Glad I got to see it in a theater, huge bummer about the distribution being so limited outside of North America. they got bad test audiences, because like I said, the crowd I saw it with was completely silent and gripped, and there wasn't one "oh COME ON!" when the credits came up. it's a very good film and I can only imagine how many people who have never seen a Tarkovsky movie will love this.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 25 February 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
enjoyed this. makes up for that amy adams one
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 25 February 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
haha I agree. it’s far from perfect but Arrival was and is painfully overpraised.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 25 February 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
This was fine trending to good. There were elements of the book I missed but the visual elements were pretty good, I liked the end also.I do wish movies about people doing a mission of some kind would spend less time with those people being breathlessly grim.
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Monday, 26 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
deep dive:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/02/26/annihilations-grim-box-office-fate-was-an-inevitable-tragedy/#247797134ed9
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
is it really looking that grim? there was a decent amount of people there when i saw it yesterday, wasn't just spillover from Black Panther
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
"a decent amount of people" only cuts it in 1974. opening smash or zilch.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
but that was how Ex Machina was, total slow burn success. does Paramount really have that little confidence in it?
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
Ex Machina didn't have a star budget, I don't think
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
Right
I should read that Forbes article
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
Ex Machina was an A24 film, apples and oranges. Much lower budget, surely.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
I think the book was a little too fresh in my mind and it hindered my ability to just let the film roll, so I really want to see it again
It's really its own thing. The thing I feel is a strength is that the major questions of the work aren't stated by characters, and when they are, they're not elaborated upon. That's going to be a weakness for any audience that needs themes spelled out.
I was in awe that the Southern Reach facility looked exactly the same from the outside as what I'd imagined when reading the book
― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
My partner described this as “femme The Thing”My favorite bit was the dance in the lighthouse with the double, which it turns out was indeed choreographed by a dancer.
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
that intrigued me, so here's the article I found after inevitably searching:https://www.wmagazine.com/story/annihilation-natalie-portman-dance-final-scene
― mh, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
that was my least favorite part but only because the music was hurting my ears and I thought it went on just a little too long
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 26 February 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
Don’t care to
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 20 April 2024 02:52 (five days ago) link
I mean I might who knows the future is unwritten
Probably not though
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 20 April 2024 02:53 (five days ago) link
you gotta admire the dedication
― H.P, Saturday, 20 April 2024 02:56 (five days ago) link
No you don’t!
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 20 April 2024 02:58 (five days ago) link
lol
― H.P, Saturday, 20 April 2024 02:59 (five days ago) link
I still haven't read an explanation or review of it that makes me want to see it
― Dan S, Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:22 (five days ago) link
this was a politically incoherent mess and i did not enjoy it
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 21 April 2024 02:53 (four days ago) link
The California-Texas alliance, the president who's coded as a mixture of Biden and Trump, the reference to an "Antifa massacre" without a clarification on whether Antifa was massacred or committed the massacre, the strict avoidance of actual political ideology throughout the film, the general anxiety over partisanship/political tensions without ever taking a side... I do think of this movie as profoundly politically unserious in a particularly American liberal way. It's trying so hard to avoid angering any viewers that it ties itself into incoherent knots. NPR brained is right.
― OneSecondBefore, Friday, April 19, 2024 11:22 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
lol ok u beat me to it
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 21 April 2024 02:59 (four days ago) link
i saw this today with my dad and my sister in east tennessee. there were i think 5 other people in the movie theater. it was a matinee. pretty crazy fuckin film. i'm surprised no one's mentioned how well it's made. the photography, the sound. it's amazing. the choppers overhead felt real.
re how the movie assiduously refuses any mapping of current party politics onto the different military forces it's the right choice imo because otherwise we'd be cheering on one side when they blow the shit out of the other, or vice versa, at least a little bit, and the movie doesn't want to let you get that comfortable
xpost the president is clearly trumpian for the reasons i think akm spells out above - but the various secessionary forces all disagree with each other (i think sammy says they'll all tear each other apart when d.c. falls)
the plemons character has enough bullshit racist nativist political ideology to fill the rosebowl and the movie's not exactly subtle about it
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 April 2024 03:36 (four days ago) link
you can say that if you were making this movie you'd have a Texas-Missouri alliance instead or something, but in this movie, the one you actually saw, it's a Texas-California alliance. why? because the filmmakers are mush-brained NPR centrists who don't want to offend anyone? i really don't think that's why.
people are rioting for water in new york city which is about as water-secure as a major metropolis gets iirc - something Very Big has torn society apart and one of the consequences is no water. maybe the Texas-California alliance is about getting access to water. Maybe one of the other factions has blocked it and the trumpy guy won't step in. idk. none of that is important for the story this movie is telling
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 April 2024 03:43 (four days ago) link
I saw "dude takes 3rd term, is obvious scumbag for bombing 'his' civilians" within the first 3rd of the movie and that was enough to put aside any claims of 'political' cowardness. They're clear good guys and bad guys inferred by this movie, and they're not very controversial claims of whose on which side. The parallels of what Yahu's doing in Gaza and how journalists are being treated by that kind of government.... you know, I really didn't think this film was being subtle about its politics when it chooses to address politics (like, 2% of the movie, thankfully).
― H.P, Sunday, 21 April 2024 06:44 (four days ago) link
Maybe Andrew should have set the movie in Australia so Americans could enjoy it
― H.P, Sunday, 21 April 2024 06:45 (four days ago) link
*Alex. Brainfart
I think this movie will grow in appreciation as years go on, however the future of the country goes
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 07:20 (four days ago) link
The Texas-California alliance sounds implausible if the movie is meant to take place in the world we live in now. But one thing we know is that Kirsten Dunst's character built her reputation on photos of "the Antifa Massacre" that she took when she was in college. Assuming the character is the same age as Dunst (41), this event happened roughly 20 years before the events of the movie. So the movie is either set at least 20 years in the future, enough time for political realities to shift (less than 30 years ago, states like Louisiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and West Virginia voted Democratic in a presidential election). Or it's set in an alternate-reality present or near future that doesn't neatly map onto the real world. It doesn't really matter because Garland isn't really interested in worldbuilding. But, as Max points out, that doesn't mean that the movie can't still work effectively as a pulp thriller:"Ultimately the movie seems much less concerned with making a particular political or moral statement (or even exploring the politics or morals of its fictional scenario) than it does with efficiently and energetically moving its truck of adrenaline junkies from one suspenseful action set-piece to the next. It’s like finding a 1967 alternate-history novel published by Del Rey with the tagline 'They Crossed a War Zone Between New York and D.C.--to Photograph the President’s Murder!""https://maxread.substack.com/p/what-is-the-civil-war-in-civil-war
― jaymc, Sunday, 21 April 2024 13:46 (four days ago) link
Del Rey Books was established in 1977, but ok.
― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Sunday, 21 April 2024 14:05 (four days ago) link
Not familiar with that publisher; I was imagining a mass-market paperback published by Bantam or Signet.
― jaymc, Sunday, 21 April 2024 14:14 (four days ago) link
Other than that, I thought the essay was fine. Still not sure if I'll see the movie.
― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Sunday, 21 April 2024 15:12 (four days ago) link
i think it probably works a lot better if you don’t know much about it before going in but i guess you’re past that pointit’s a very intense experiencemy only knock on it is that the last 20 minutes play out a little like a videogame fantasy.. i was also confused about what seemed like suicide on lee’s part. why does she stay up like that? clearly something has changed in her, but it feels out of character even so
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 April 2024 15:37 (four days ago) link
Tracer OTM. This film isn't trying to be a satire about current US politics. It could jist as well have been set in Australia or any other country and ultimately been the same
I agree, it's an incredibly well produced film. Every helicopter, round of ammo, explosion, feels real. And when Dunst melts down towards the end, I felt it. Enjoyed the characters and the acting a lot too
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Sunday, 21 April 2024 15:43 (four days ago) link
i recall that scene Tracer alludes to as being in slow motion, so I don't think she's staying up for very long. i could be wrong
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 16:08 (four days ago) link
the way they filmed it it felt deliberate to me. if they'd wanted to show her getting clipped by a bullet as she tumbled on top of jessie, like an accidental consequence of her action, they could have, but she really just sways there for a second, looking down. it was like once jessie was safe she had no reason to keep living? she had nothing left to accomplish? idk
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 April 2024 16:13 (four days ago) link
Don't forget, there had to be enough time for Jessie to take a few photos of the occasion, for character development reasons
― H.P, Sunday, 21 April 2024 21:57 (four days ago) link
The Symmetry must be obeyed
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 April 2024 22:14 (four days ago) link
(I guess that actor is Brazillian but since the character was from Florida I assumed he was Cuban)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, April 15, 2024 8:09 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol he sounded Venezuelan to me
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:07 (three days ago) link
The politics for all the reasons Neanderthal and Tracer Hand mentioned are....explicit. The Texas-California alliance is the odd one, but we've seen any number of convenient political alliances in the last century. When the film does go into equivalences is showing the barbarism of the WF soldiers (is Plemons and his unit one of them? I couldn't tell. I may have missed it). Maybe the anti-faux-Trump forces realized they needed to get as dirty as he did?
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:31 (three days ago) link
I thought that pulp book line was going to be about this book my mom's old boss co-wrote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Texas-Israeli_War:_1999
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:33 (three days ago) link
When the film does go into equivalences is showing the barbarism of the WF soldiers (is Plemons and his unit one of them? I couldn't tell. I may have missed it).
no, I think they were simply a militia, who may or may not have supported the President, but were absolutely happy to use the resultant chaos to further their own awful goals.
I thought one of the most interesting scenes was the one with the house and the invisible sniper, and the guys they encountered hunkered down. it's completely unclear, and maybe irrelevant, who is who. When asked what's going on, the answer was "that guy is shooting at us. we are shooting at him".
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:38 (three days ago) link
Ah, makes sense.
Yeah, that sniper shot (blurring him was a shrewd touch) creeped me out.
I thought for a moment that the shot of the white woman, Latin American man, and Hong Kong reporter in front of Plemons' militia was on-the-nose, but the NPR affiliate reporters I know are a diverse lot.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:41 (three days ago) link
Stephen McKinley was best in show as he almost always is.
xposts yeah the movie couldn’t really make it clearer that that line of interrogation is not what it’s about
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:42 (three days ago) link
Stephen McKinley is getting a lot of work these days!
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:54 (three days ago) link
I thought that pulp book line was going to be about this book my mom's old boss co-wrotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Texas-Israeli_War:_1999
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 22 April 2024 22:59 (three days ago) link
So, I watched this thing at my local AMC theater today at 2:35 in one of the smaller screening rooms: 50 seats at most. I'd say it was half-full. It impressed me -- I can count on five people at most on a Monday afternoon.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:01 (three days ago) link
Not Waldrop, Saunders - he gave me a copy when I was 11 or 12 but I don't remember anything about it aside from the title (and later wondering if the guys from Lift to Experience read it). I think he and Waldrop ended up not on good terms over the years.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:04 (three days ago) link