Ariel Pink

ah shit, wrong vid, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRjyR1v9niI

i put on some of the older records last night and while they were enjoyable there were a lot of tracks that felt like clear filler. he has gotten better at songwriting and i far prefer the new material. not sure if the songs themselves are better or the arrangements themselves are more interesting. used to be a lot of guitars whereas now he's using synths all over the place and imo it results in more memorable instrumental lines and hooks.

by older records i mean the lo-fi pre-studio stuff. the highs are still really good but there was a lot just coasting on sound.

I feel the same about those old records, Adam. I made a ‘Greatest Hits’ that fits on a CD-R years ago that I still listen to regularly:

1. Hardcore Pops Are Fun
2. Immune to Emotion
3. Are You Gonna Look After My Boys?
4. Credit
5. Every Night I Die at Miyagis
6. Politely Declined
7. Among Dreams
8. For Kate I Wait
9. Baby Comes Around
10. Interesting Results
11. House Arrest
12. Jules Lost His Jewels
13. Artifact
14. Life in LA
15. The Doldrums
16. Gray Sunset
17. Getting High in the Morning
18. Scared Famous
19. Loverboy
20. Alisa
21. My Molly

Still so much gold I left out though...

if that's the same flappy cdr you posted a coupe years ago it bangs

thanks! yeah it more or less is, swapped out a few but it’s basically the same.

Not as good as No Real Friend but My Whole Life Story from that first Holy Shit album was another fantastic collaboration.

I called into KXLU when Ariel was playing some of his old tapes almost two years ago, and I asked him what the words were in that song. it's "off in the world, off in the world of girls, i choke - i'm lost for words." anyway that's another thing that distinguishes DTBJ from the 4AD albums & reminds me of his old records.

Great to hear those 10" songs. "Nighttime is great" reminds me of this (for example the sound effects):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoUgulTA8M

Thanks for asking about those lyrics, everytime I listen to the song I´m asking myself the same question.

Thought it was "I churn" but otherwise got it right. Don't think it particularly matters, not to me anyway, with someone like AP.

AP about to get needle dropped

Uh oh: I've just been informed. someone's writing a HIT piece on me-

— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) October 9, 2017

Was at his show last night and he started running his mouth off with disgusting misogynistic comments before the band even started playing. Most of the audience was made uncomfortable and barely anybody clapped after the first song. When people started walking out he shouted "Fuck you for leaving!" I know this is the dude's brand and all, but witnessing it firsthand was extremely off-putting – especially in the Trump era. I like his music enough, but not enough to put up with his repulsive antics. TBH I went specifically to see John Maus as the opener and regret staying as long as I did.

damn what was he saying?

yeah, i'd expect more from someone playing with John Maus

https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-speaks-on-involvement-with-canceled-alt-right-adult-swim-show/

weird that for all the awful and disgusting comments this dude has made you zero in on "he works with a guy who made some music for a bad TV show"

WOAH like it got worse after I left:

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/

ap's gf posted this on a friends page regarding that:

https://i.imgur.com/yCe5DqE.png

again CB what did he say exactly?

Fuck that show description in the reddit link sounds awful. Glad I decided not to go to the NYC show next month & see Girlpool instead. No time for trainwreck AP shows anymore, especially with that really nauseating scene described.

Witnessed one AP (whose music I loved up untill PomPom) concert, and that was a trainwreck even without the misogynist bullshit as of late. One of the worst concerts I ever saw. On par with a disastrous Sebadoh concert, where Lou Barlow walked off after 10 mins and fuck you'd the whole audience. Don't ever buy a ticket for your favourite lo-fi artist concert, kids.

I feel kinda sad Maus is lumped together with this tool, but I guess that's all his own doing, associating himself with Pink up until today. Even though the P4K piece Whiney linked reads more like genuine misguidance/cluelessness instead of malicious or mean-spirited. No excuses tho.

ap and maus are both clueless academic dudes that grew up rich and entitled. i dont know how it relates to this current conversation, but i always put them in that context.

Nah I needed to hear that, ty. Maus is a twat too. His music is just... so good. Which sucks.

wasn't kim fowley heavily involved in his past couple albums too

I can't remember what AP said word for word, but he started the show by saying something to the tone of holding his underage girlfriend hostage backstage in a grotesque manner. When people were offended, he started going off at them like a gas lighter. That was enough to make me want to GTFO. Even if it allegedly ended up being consensual, making an audience believe you're being abusive towards your girlfriend onstage is no joke. Nobody goes to a show to see a domestic abuse act.

xp Pom Pom, yeah. Co-wrote a handful of the songs, gave AP titles & lyrics.

yeah that is fucking insane and really fucked up

@Le Bateau Ivre - what happened specifically? just curious. was it him solo or the band years?

dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level

i can forgive maus for being a naive moron about mde though, glad he's distanced himself

isnt that guy super smart though? like a philosophy professor? not buying the dumb act.

i had a friend that moved out to Cali a few years ago and hung around in the scene w Ariel and R Stevie Moore. she was going w a lot of creepy guys at the time and it seemed like a iffy idea but he was pretty nice to her from what i heard. now she's living back at home now and has given up drugs and hanging around sketchy characters thank god.

I definitely am skeptical that this was just an act. Ariel Pink is known for having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments.

Both Maus and Pink are exceptionally talented artists. That's a completely separate issue though.

having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments

these can be one and the same

"Performance Art"TM just think of AP as another youtube asshole doing it for LOLZ

I mean, I know this term has fallen out of vogue, but I think he's crazy.

Not that it excuses anything he does or says.

dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level

What's the pointing of being a star if you can't date a 20 year old fan. 20! If that's not fair game, what is?

Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay, but wanting a much younger (but legal woman) is taboo now. I mean, sorry for the obvious anti-PC stuff, but I am truly sick of much of it.

The rest (e.g., abuse) is another matter, of course.

I agree that 20 is not underage but um

Dating a 20 year old fan is fine. Mistreating them is not.

That middle paragraph though. I do not sign off on it.

Also describing women as "game" is pretty fucked. Flagged ur post Rudolph.

Wait who’s fisting who

Who fists the fisters?

Every night PC Dies at Rudy's

Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay

damn right it is

his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros

Dr. Mario Colonoscopist is pro-Harvey Weinstein

Like asshole like son.

Also his Dad:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ocregister.com/2014/01/30/2-pleas-end-fraud-convictions-tied-to-buena-park-surgical-center/amp/

in addition to all that coming on stage stumble-down drunk to a crowd of people who paid to see you and may have travelled a good distance is a pretty big asshole move

and to think I was about to post something here about liking the new album...

Saw him once (circa 2010?) and he was in relatively good behavior. He was obviously a weird guy but held it together for the show.

his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (ten hours ago) Permalink

Pink was re-tweeting his dad's pro-weinstein comments the other day. Do we just chalk this up to Pink being an oddball/weirdo, or is he actually kind of a shitty human being? I mean he hangs out with Greg Gutfield, acts like an asshole to his girlfriend in front of an audience, says really, really horrible things in interviews...but he makes good music? Is that enough to save him from the same fate that's ending Matt Mondanile's career?

In another reddit throwaway account:

I saw this post from the daily discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/
So I just kind of wanted to make a thread about this.
I saw Ariel Pink at the Metro in Chicago in 2010 after Before Today came out, Os Mutantes and someone else I can't remember opened.
I was standing at the front of the stage with two girls I went to the show with, like right in front of Ariel Pink himself.
During one of the songs, he jumped off stage and came right at, I didn't really know what he was doing, but he came right up to me, grabbed my face and started kissing me, like full tongue down threat and everything. He then turned and did the same thing to the couple girls I was with, and then some other girls who started crowding up to the stage, and jumped back up and kept playing with the rest of the band.
I uh...wasn't really into it, and I felt pretty embarrassed, but I just kind of thought it was "part of the show" so I didn't really think much of it. But having seen all the stuff about Matt Mondanile come out the past couple days and all the details about makes me feel like that was all not very above board?
So I just wanted to get that out. Thanks for reading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76t96k/in_response_to_the_ariel_pink_story_from/

Can anyone confirm this is something this asshole does at shows?