Ariel Pink

also w/r/t this one being more similar to the original classics than any of the 4AD albums: there's no lyric sheet included. there are several songs (the chorus of "Death Patrol" for example) where I have no idea what the fuck he's saying. like, I wondered for years what the words were in the chorus of "Every Night I Die at Miyagis." I called into KXLU when Ariel was playing some of his old tapes almost two years ago, and I asked him what the words were in that song. it's "off in the world, off in the world of girls, i choke - i'm lost for words." anyway that's another thing that distinguishes DTBJ from the 4AD albums & reminds me of his old records.

god "I Wanna Be Young" is so good. one of the few old songs he's redone that's better than the original

I like “Time to Live” but I think 50% of my enjoyment is the “video killed the radiostar” melody in the vocal verse and the other half is the bassline. I could do without the opening 2 minutes of looped low fi noise in the beginning tho they sort of ruin the song for me... i find myself skipping them everytime.

A few songs feel a bit Pom Pom-lite, Time To Live being Not Enough Violence, Santa being Black Ballerina

really like his weird accent for "Santa's in the Closet" (also the mix is really nice, the vocals have this sheen to them that fits w the synth sweeps). its a bit DAF or Die Toedliche Doris or Trio or something, fake German industrial. love it!

i love the noise bit on time to live, not enough violence is great but time to live is better. i'm starting to think that this might be close to his best album, just for its focus and quality control.

I love both, but I think I prefer Not Enough Violence by a hair... Time to Live is pretty amazing though... just the density of it, did someone on here describe it as Buggles meets "Sister Ray"? maybe that was a review I read... @PaulMTA i agree, good point about Santa/Black Ballerina, i never would've made the connection bc Santa is such a throwaway and Black Ballerina is imo one of his best songs, & one that stands alone, i can't think of another song of his that sounds like it, or even has the same vibe...

The new album's biggest problem to me is that it sounds like the classic case of a single album having to follow a classic double (with no bad songs IMO) which doesn't quite live up to the same standard, treads familiar ground and feels more streamlined - ultimately the actual music is excellent to me, but following Pom Pom it just can't compete. I imagine I'd feel differently had the albums been released in reverse order

So I'm only saying it's disappointing as it didn't equal or come close to bettering one of the best albums in recent years.

this is my fav thing AP has done since the classix i wish Jorge and him would make a whole album like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjf5O4bzGuU

yeah Paul I know what you mean. but there really isn't a great way to follow up a classic double album. I think he did the best he could - he's not treading water, & the erasure of persona makes sense following Pom Pom. it's just a solid album with some great songs, & a couple duds. but I still really, really like this album - it blooms & melodies suddenly pop out two dozen listens in...

Chloë Sevigny is a fan:

“I have a hard time even going out and listening to music if I don’t like the sound system now, it’s really awful,” she adds. Her preference is to relive the songs and albums of her youth from the comfort of home, having mostly given up on buying music released in the new millennium—though releases by psychedelic folkie Mira Billotte of White Magic, witch-house misfits Salem, and super freak Ariel Pink are exceptions.

..............Salem???

Kurt , have you heard the other one they did? Call to Ring
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmFeWSuDja8

xxxp I love that Jorge Elbrecht collab, too. Now that you mention it the new album reminds me of it a little

i have heard call to ring its not that good

only time i've seen AP live Jorge was in his band. they did "Hang on to Life," this was a few months before the single came out. I remember watching Jorge for most of "Menopause Man" - again, you don't realize how complicated/convoluted AP's songs/parts are until you see someone doing them

also, dude shreds

kenny is their secret weapon when it comes to live performance but yah jorge rips

see vintage ilxor gushing over jorge here Lansing-Dreiden-The Incomplete Triangle:Album Of The Year?

just found this, Japanese CD bonus track not included on the 12" picture disc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lso2JX2K2U

ah shit, wrong vid, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRjyR1v9niI

i put on some of the older records last night and while they were enjoyable there were a lot of tracks that felt like clear filler. he has gotten better at songwriting and i far prefer the new material. not sure if the songs themselves are better or the arrangements themselves are more interesting. used to be a lot of guitars whereas now he's using synths all over the place and imo it results in more memorable instrumental lines and hooks.

by older records i mean the lo-fi pre-studio stuff. the highs are still really good but there was a lot just coasting on sound.

I feel the same about those old records, Adam. I made a ‘Greatest Hits’ that fits on a CD-R years ago that I still listen to regularly:

1. Hardcore Pops Are Fun
2. Immune to Emotion
3. Are You Gonna Look After My Boys?
4. Credit
5. Every Night I Die at Miyagis
6. Politely Declined
7. Among Dreams
8. For Kate I Wait
9. Baby Comes Around
10. Interesting Results
11. House Arrest
12. Jules Lost His Jewels
13. Artifact
14. Life in LA
15. The Doldrums
16. Gray Sunset
17. Getting High in the Morning
18. Scared Famous
19. Loverboy
20. Alisa
21. My Molly

Still so much gold I left out though...

if that's the same flappy cdr you posted a coupe years ago it bangs

thanks! yeah it more or less is, swapped out a few but it’s basically the same.

Not as good as No Real Friend but My Whole Life Story from that first Holy Shit album was another fantastic collaboration.

I called into KXLU when Ariel was playing some of his old tapes almost two years ago, and I asked him what the words were in that song. it's "off in the world, off in the world of girls, i choke - i'm lost for words." anyway that's another thing that distinguishes DTBJ from the 4AD albums & reminds me of his old records.

Great to hear those 10" songs. "Nighttime is great" reminds me of this (for example the sound effects):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoUgulTA8M

Thanks for asking about those lyrics, everytime I listen to the song I´m asking myself the same question.

Thought it was "I churn" but otherwise got it right. Don't think it particularly matters, not to me anyway, with someone like AP.

AP about to get needle dropped

Uh oh: I've just been informed. someone's writing a HIT piece on me-

— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) October 9, 2017

Was at his show last night and he started running his mouth off with disgusting misogynistic comments before the band even started playing. Most of the audience was made uncomfortable and barely anybody clapped after the first song. When people started walking out he shouted "Fuck you for leaving!" I know this is the dude's brand and all, but witnessing it firsthand was extremely off-putting – especially in the Trump era. I like his music enough, but not enough to put up with his repulsive antics. TBH I went specifically to see John Maus as the opener and regret staying as long as I did.

damn what was he saying?

yeah, i'd expect more from someone playing with John Maus

https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-speaks-on-involvement-with-canceled-alt-right-adult-swim-show/

weird that for all the awful and disgusting comments this dude has made you zero in on "he works with a guy who made some music for a bad TV show"

WOAH like it got worse after I left:

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/

ap's gf posted this on a friends page regarding that:

https://i.imgur.com/yCe5DqE.png

again CB what did he say exactly?

Fuck that show description in the reddit link sounds awful. Glad I decided not to go to the NYC show next month & see Girlpool instead. No time for trainwreck AP shows anymore, especially with that really nauseating scene described.

Witnessed one AP (whose music I loved up untill PomPom) concert, and that was a trainwreck even without the misogynist bullshit as of late. One of the worst concerts I ever saw. On par with a disastrous Sebadoh concert, where Lou Barlow walked off after 10 mins and fuck you'd the whole audience. Don't ever buy a ticket for your favourite lo-fi artist concert, kids.

I feel kinda sad Maus is lumped together with this tool, but I guess that's all his own doing, associating himself with Pink up until today. Even though the P4K piece Whiney linked reads more like genuine misguidance/cluelessness instead of malicious or mean-spirited. No excuses tho.

ap and maus are both clueless academic dudes that grew up rich and entitled. i dont know how it relates to this current conversation, but i always put them in that context.

Nah I needed to hear that, ty. Maus is a twat too. His music is just... so good. Which sucks.

wasn't kim fowley heavily involved in his past couple albums too

I can't remember what AP said word for word, but he started the show by saying something to the tone of holding his underage girlfriend hostage backstage in a grotesque manner. When people were offended, he started going off at them like a gas lighter. That was enough to make me want to GTFO. Even if it allegedly ended up being consensual, making an audience believe you're being abusive towards your girlfriend onstage is no joke. Nobody goes to a show to see a domestic abuse act.

xp Pom Pom, yeah. Co-wrote a handful of the songs, gave AP titles & lyrics.

yeah that is fucking insane and really fucked up

@Le Bateau Ivre - what happened specifically? just curious. was it him solo or the band years?

dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level

i can forgive maus for being a naive moron about mde though, glad he's distanced himself

isnt that guy super smart though? like a philosophy professor? not buying the dumb act.

i had a friend that moved out to Cali a few years ago and hung around in the scene w Ariel and R Stevie Moore. she was going w a lot of creepy guys at the time and it seemed like a iffy idea but he was pretty nice to her from what i heard. now she's living back at home now and has given up drugs and hanging around sketchy characters thank god.