Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

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points for having the main plot thread be about a black woman trying to tell everybody "no really, they're going to kill all of us" and being shouted down

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:17 (two years ago) link

cbs has consistently been tightassed with digital access to its programming since the tv-web boom, it's annoying

j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (two years ago) link

Enjoying this!

First question: how can I get one of those dope uniforms

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 04:42 (two years ago) link

We signed up for free trial - canceled after 2nd ep & got a month free so 4 more episodes

But seriously $6 for 1 original show and commercials is a joke. $10 if you want commercial free? Eat a dick

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:20 (two years ago) link

A few minutes in, it looks right at least. The ship and cinematography look like a Star Trek show (vs. the new movies).

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:43 (two years ago) link

New Klingons - ehhhhhhhh. The makeup is so heavy their faces barely move.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 06:02 (two years ago) link


louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 06:59 (two years ago) link

The theme manages to have twelve different sections, goes a bit Mahler for some reason, not very catchy

Although I speak as someone who liked Faith of the Heart so ignore me

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 25 September 2017 07:44 (two years ago) link

Only seen the first hour - I feel like I can semi-credibly guess which ideas/dialogue came from Fuller and what came from Kurtzman/Goldsman. Not bad but the character-backstory shit is hacky and painful.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 25 September 2017 14:13 (two years ago) link

Thought it was ok. Will keep watching.

But yeah, the theme tune is a mess

groovypanda, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:17 (two years ago) link

I liked the show!

At the beginning I was thinking "hmm, is this Star Trek enough?"

But, thinking back, the best shows start out with their own scope and integrate. Enterprise was slavishly devoted to tying into continuity while not fleshing out much history. More than anything I got the impression that someone (Fuller? looked like he was the writer w/Ortzman) had an understanding of what TNG and DS9 did well.

The previews make it look like it's going to be scientific discovery (hah!) in a time of war. Which is a clearer mission statement than we've gotten recently.

mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:20 (two years ago) link

Yeah did enjoy that and thought there was going to be more, but I guess CBS is running it as a weekly show and selling it on elsewhere.

Stevolende, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:30 (two years ago) link

Gotta free up airtime for those Chuck Lorre productions and NCIS: Anchorage.

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 September 2017 14:38 (two years ago) link

I know it's a Toronto production, so I hate to say this but most of the sets looked pretty lacklustre. Felt like they were adding the occasional lens flares out of sheer desperation to spice it up. And yeahhh, the guys playing Klingons can't even act in all that get up. Hopefully they will sort it out as it goes along.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:35 (two years ago) link

I'm guessing the backgrounds in the Klingon ship were put there in post-production, because they were pretty ornate?

mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

I thought the story was engaging & the character development pretty solid for a 2-ep premiere. I am so used to expecting exposition dumps for new shows but this played out like a mini movie, it was kinda thrilling tbh

I think the Michael character has been set up with good layers & i’m really interested to follow her journey now

Doug Jones was great & I loved Michelle Yeoh

Klingon makeup looks more like the movie Romulans but dont they always seem to screw around with their look iirc?

Mr Veg had some gripes about how it doesn’t look like it’s taking place before the original series but i wasnt too bothered by that myself

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:41 (two years ago) link

I was wondering if teh original Klingons were supposed to look like evil humans intentionally. Seem to be a bit Hispanic pirate update in the tv series or something don't they? Is that why they were made to look less human.

Stevolende, Monday, 25 September 2017 16:45 (two years ago) link

Latest look has shades of Tudor era doublet and hose and tunic look don't it?

Stevolende, Monday, 25 September 2017 16:46 (two years ago) link

klingons lose a bit of menace when they sound like they're trying to talk through a retainer.
today ish a good day to die, you turdsh!

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 September 2017 16:56 (two years ago) link


Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:59 (two years ago) link

should I watch this or is it going to be totally cancelled within a year

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 17:22 (two years ago) link

(I hated enterprise and found most of voyager boring as fuck)

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 17:22 (two years ago) link

it won't get "cancelled"... i'm sure first season's in the can
also, if they're really using this as a push for CBS All Access (I wonder how The Good Fight did) they'll probably keep it alive for that alone, regardless of ratings or quality. i mean look at Netflix's insane stable of shows, who knows how well any of these do or how much they cost to keep going with the verticality of it all

Nhex, Monday, 25 September 2017 17:27 (two years ago) link

i can't even imagine picking up another subscription tv service, not for this. piracy it is.

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 17:43 (two years ago) link

The first hour was a disaster. tons of pilot-speak where characters explain things that should be obvious in their world. tons of phrases that they put in because they sounded cool despite not making sense -- how is a species both "prey" and "bred to sense death"? the michael actress ruins a bunch of her lines. i found michelle yeoh's accent distracting, but the rest of her performance was solid. filler with an optical scrambler that lets them do the "go back to old technology" bit, which has been done frequently in Star Trek but still sucks. crap CG during the space walk.

second hour does the "balance of terror" / enemy below thing. not the best use of it but it still works. lots of forced parallels that are more coincidental than meaningful. i was pleasantly surprised by the ending.

oh and i was distracted by trying to figure out where in the ST timelines this happens -- young Sarek + Klingons gone for a century = shortly before TOS, timeline still not split. i suppose ST fans will just look it up online.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:42 (two years ago) link

Continuity-wise, Shran from Enterprise will be happy to see they've named a ship after him... it's certainly BEEN A LONG ROAAAAAAAAAAD

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 September 2017 18:59 (two years ago) link

I thought this took place before Enterprise?

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:28 (two years ago) link

100 years after Enterprise, or thereabouts. About a decade before the original series.

mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:32 (two years ago) link

Just read it said that it was supposed to be about 10 years before the Shatner series. But that might be open to debate.

Stevolende, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

They might run into, or at least hear about, the Enterprise commanded by Christopher Pike

mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:40 (two years ago) link

oh I'm sure they will at some point if not this year then next year when the ratings start to flag. expect a time travel episode with someone from TNG at some point too to revive interest.

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:45 (two years ago) link

they've already got Sarek, what else do they need?

mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:47 (two years ago) link

Khan's older stoner brother Chad.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:51 (two years ago) link


mh, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:53 (two years ago) link


Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:57 (two years ago) link

I liked this quite a bit and I think it's about as good as a Star Trek show could be in 2017. It's not what I would consider ideal, but it's what works now. Hopefully, they can keep it up.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:37 (two years ago) link

the internet informs me that giving strong female characters traditionally male names is a 'trademark' of fuller or one of the other three dozen executive producers

i don't really gi

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:01 (two years ago) link

i’ve met several women named michael, just kind of figured they decided in the future “michelle” is just how french people pronounce the name

mh, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:16 (two years ago) link

and let’s not forget queen of all michaels, michael hyatt aka mama barksdale

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:56 (two years ago) link

whoa, Michelle Yeoh

however i will probly never watch

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:05 (two years ago) link

who plays Sarek?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:05 (two years ago) link

james frain

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

which is weird bc he’s the “bad guy” in like, everything. so seeing him play sarek is some cognitive dissonance like “ok well i ~guess~ he’s cool bc he’s sarek ...but it’s james frain so he might be plotting the downfall of the entire starfleet!”

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:27 (two years ago) link

we don’t have a lot of cool-mannered, calculating figures who look like that who normally play protagonists

mh, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:30 (two years ago) link

serious sheldon cooper vibes from lieutenant saru (whose name is maybe a nod to joe meek's i hear a new world?)

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:06 (two years ago) link

ha, i was thinking the same thing about saru

this was fine, i guess? the floaty-camera dutch-angle shots were getting pretty tiresome by the end of the second episode but, having said that, i did enjoy how much more they made of the freedom of movement available in space than previous star trek shows - ships not always lining up in neat horizontal angles and the off-centredness of the accretion rings was cool

i also liked how the lighting helped the spaces inside the ship feel more like they were actually in space - instead of the flat, institutional lighting of tng or voyager the sets and characters were sometimes lit by sources outside the ship's windows, and it looked great

kind of a bummer that michelle yeoh isn't going to stick around but since she was listed as a guest star in the opening credits it was immediately obvious that she'd end up getting killed :(

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 09:47 (two years ago) link

i also liked how the lighting helped the spaces inside the ship feel more like they were actually in space

It's one of the weird/interesting things about Trek that it never feels like a space show in *actual* space - it's just set in spaceships. There's no dogfights, space walks, gravity losses, all those cliches - every time you see a Trek character in a space suit, it feels like the rules are being breached. Even the space battles feel like turn-based RPGs rather than action sequences. (I'm sure there are exceptions - "The Doomsday Machine" springs to mind.)

My partner was like "The whole point of spaceships is to *avoid* being in space - sailors don't keep jumping in the sea to get things done."

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:19 (two years ago) link

"kind of a bummer that michelle yeoh isn't going to stick around" well fuck, that was actually the main reason I was even going to bother watching it.

akm, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:29 (two years ago) link

i think she'll be showing up in flashbacks in future episodes fwiw

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:37 (two years ago) link

she's ghost mom, sarek appearing via katra vision is ghost dad

mh, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:51 (two years ago) link

There are dozens of star treks, not just 6 or 7, and if trek is a feeling then everyone has a different one. But i keep thinking of The Measure of a Man; it might not even be my favourite episode but in the writing, the problem posed and the solution offered, it was something of a peak. Nothing in Discovery was remotely of that calibre - in season 2 certainly. Season 1 had some things going for it, e.g. Tilly pushed the boundaries of what a starfleet officer could be, while staying true to or even exemplifying trek values; by season 2 she was mostly reduced to comic relief.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:15 (seven months ago) link

I missed some of the wtf-ness that Jason Isaacs provided last season, but I really enjoyed this one. Shame the last episode was a Marvel movie climax laser fight though.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:22 (seven months ago) link

Hells yeah that massive pew pew scene hurt my head, I couldnt tell who was shooting what at some points.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:22 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

logic extremists


j., Monday, 15 July 2019 06:41 (five months ago) link

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