eh Hook is a guy who had a Zapruder-film like analysis of a long-ago bar fight with his ex and her bf in the photo section while insulting on them in the text, and they'd both died of cancer prior to the book's release, he doesn't like pulling his punches on anyone and he's incapable of letting go of any perceived or minor or perhaps even non-existent slights. i enjoyed the book since it's such a bizarre look into his mind and their career, but boy is he a toxic person.
― nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
if he had any humility people might actually give him his proper due. i think tbh Music Complete revealed him not as the secret weapon and heart of the band, but as a quality bonus.
― nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
At least all of this has got me listening to Music Complete again... to say I enjoy this more than I did when it was first released is a bit of an understatement.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
TOO-TI FROO-TI
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
BTW, today, the first day or Autumn, is my official 'Crystal' day.
Carry on (and Keep it Coming)
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
So now that the NO/Hook thing is legally (although I can still imagine a lot of press sniping) laid to rest, do you think it's probably more likely than ever that we'll get to see another New Order album?
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:58 (six years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/peter-hook-bernard-sumner-book-billboard-650x430.jpg
― piscesx, Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:31 (six years ago) link
I think the sniping and the Hook / Summer writing credits are done for good.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
I've been obsessing over the Liminanas' album, Shadow People. Peter Hook plays on this track (and it's pretty great).
https://youtu.be/Piul8Gvos4M
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 15 February 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link
Is "Love Vigilantes," corny or no, the only New Order song that features coherent or at least something other than boilerplate Sumner lyrics? Trying to think of what else might count ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
See, I think of "True Faith" as pretty boilerplate. "1963" ... yeah, I guess that's a pretty straight forward narrative.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
"narrative" as it concerns Sumner's drug-inspired fiction is loosely defined as one line following another logically and sequentially
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I suppose at the very least there is a specific gist to it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I wonder what compelled him those handfuls of times? He never struck me as the sort to carry around a notebook. More like the sort you have to lock in the room at the end of the sessions and force to come up with something.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
I'd have added "Regret" but we might be here all day.. oh wait..
― Mark G, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Liar has some coherent / narrative lyrics.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
and "Times Change" too. He was learning!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
and "Special"! I love "Special" – it was like water down the drain.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
I just learned that Robert Frank (RIP) directed the enigmatic, but oddly affecting "Run" video.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
Huh. Had either never known or completely forgotten it!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJnKf4bBEU
this is a wonderful cover
― ufo, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
Wow.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
Shares some DNA, retroactively, with "Schizophrenia."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
nice, he should do a new order cover album. and i never really noticed before but his and beck's voice are quite similar.
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 12 September 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/98/ac/0a/98ac0a07e12212c32e9b8978bdf657b4--dream-baby-punk-rock.jpg
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 12 September 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfPeQrNaoI
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
never thought about that second meaning that thieves could like them. bernard sumner seems pretty stoned in that interview. great performance of the song, gillian is lovely with her dress.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
always figured Thieves Like Us was yet another title Joy Division or New Order just grabbed from the latest repertoire movie listings.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 27 October 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I'd read that the film poster in their rehearsal space gave New Order quite a few song titles, including Thieves Like Us:
"The title (= Vanishing Point) is another culled from that faded film poster in their old rehearsal room, which provided 'In a Lonely Place' and 'Thieves Like Us'."
https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/aug/06/new-order-10-of-the-best
According to Bernard Sumner: "We did a concert in Berlin with Joy Division in this old cinema and in the dressing room there was this old, old film poster on the wall. And we stole it, and took it back to our rehearsal room and it listed every film that was going to be on for, like, the next five years at this German cinema. And every time we wanted a title, we'd look at this film poster and pick two or three titles. Like 'The Eternal' came from a film called The Eternal Flame." (Chris Ott, Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures)
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 27 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
That's the kind of thing that someone with enough time could get to the bottom of. In 1980 Joy Division played at Kant Kino, Berlin, so the poster was probably from there. If the internet had existed in 1980 someone could have used that information to predict future New Order song titles. It's probably not as useful now.
There is an alternative world where New Order's second album was called She's 19 and Ready, containing the classic singles "The Maddest Car in the World" and "Housewives on the Job".
― Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
By the way the Kant Kino is still going.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 28 October 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
Komakino was probably named after the Kant Kino. The concert was a disaster as the room was only half full. The audience couldn't hear Ian sing. I like the following "dialogue":
"When a spectator shouted ,lauter, lauter‘ (louder, louder), Bernard Sumner replied: ,Speak fucking English you German bastard‘."
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 28 October 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
Dunno if this has been posted before, but... well if so, enjoy it again!
"It was supposed to be @neworder but they apparently had a row about which song to do so only @peterhook turned up - bass Peter Hook all other parts played on @Apple MAC"
https://youtu.be/HaW3GVaAzs8
― jaywbabcock, Friday, 17 January 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
when this song appeared as snippets between the video clips on the Substance VHS, I connected it to my tape deck and used the pause button to splice them into one song.
― dan selzer, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
Five-night residency in Miami this week. I go tomorrow!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I recorded that Peter Hook track on vhs from "The other side of midnight" - apparently they stopped work on it because Tony Wilson liked it.
― Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link
Bernard Sumner sounds so fucking awful live now, I can't bring myself to see them again. There's a good digitally sourced version of a long version of The Happy One that circulated a while back. I think Hooky tried to get Revenge to flesh out the track and they were set to perform on the tv show, but Rob Gretton told Hooky he couldn't have Revenge do it, so PH did it himself.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 17 January 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
yeah, iirc the Hook NO book has Revenge even turning up to the studio on the day, before Gretton stops it on behalf of the others. and Hook being infuriated-but-professional so going on solo and looking like an idiot
here he is recapturing the magic a year ago
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Friday, 17 January 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdH_I-rNoq4
― Maresn3st, Friday, 7 February 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
Such good looking chaps. Hoping to see a lot of this material released in the forthcoming PCL definite box set
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 February 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
I never knew this happened, weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg_i-cu95y0
― Maresn3st, Monday, 30 March 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link
Oh wow! Donald Johnson nails it. I don’t recognise some of the players, any idea?
― I am using your worlds, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
I *think* it is New Order and ACR on stage.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 30 March 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
maybe some Stockholm Monsters too? 52nd St? I hand brunch with Donald Johnson and Martin Moscrop once.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
Factory All Stars Performance
The Tube - Live From Manchester Hacienda - 26th January 1984 including members of New Order, Quando Quango, The Wake, ACR, 52nd Street, etc) doing 'Cool As Ice', 'Shack Up', 'Confusion', and 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'."
― visiting, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:53 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Madonna was on earlier promoting her third single, Holiday
― Mark G, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 07:04 (four years ago) link
Thanks for linking the longer video, visiting. That performance of Confusion is amazing!
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 08:53 (four years ago) link
Oh, shit, here's a performance of "Ceremony" where every member takes a turn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4NVN_uW-pc
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 02:22 (four years ago) link