Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

get your prosperity gospel out of this thread osteen

ha I'm actually reading this rn

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vmGZuKQVL._SX320_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

that looks interesting!

also it's adolescent as hell but i can't help but lol at the @joeldongsteen twitter account

There’s a freedom when you can come to your dick honestly and openly, knowing that He doesn’t judge you.

— Joel Dongsteen (@JoelDongsteen) September 19, 2017

looooool

"Alright, I've had enough, what else can you show me?"

Well, several things, for sure and possible:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/future-of-bob-dylan-bootleg-series-rolling-thunder-doc-w504817
Don't miss Heylin's tips at the end.

(Although personally I think he's bein' mean to the original Empire Burlesque.)

He even does 'Rainbow Connection.'

this shit bangs

But does it fucking slap?

you want to fucking slap? you can slap. you can go and see KISS and you can fucking slap all the way down to the pit

Gotta Slap Somebody

"uncalled for slap" as E-40 would say

"Covenant Woman Take 3" is amazing...this band is sooo gooood

yea this is great

ums otm re covenant woman

great tune btw, album version is prob better a little imo but this is excellent

yonder comes sin is really something too

you guys streaming the sampler or the full thing?

indeed a very rocking band, not the Dylan style I prefer but it's very enjoyable and def bangs

Love "Shot of Love" and its over-the-top indignation, he really gets into it on these songs

just a lil thing, and i didn't want to revive the pitchfork is dumb thread because it's probably just a typo, but from the first paragraph of their review today:

In the autumn of 1978, Bob Dylan began performing a new version of “Tangled Up in Blue.” In addition to a complete melodic makeover, he updated a lyric that had previously referenced an unnamed Italian poet to address a more specific source text: “She opened up the Bible and started quoting it to me/Jeremiah, Chapter 13, verses 21 and 33.” Debuted during the tour behind his directionless Street Legal LP, his new arrangement of the beloved track offered a glimpse at Dylan’s next reinvention: You can hear a white light starting to seep in.

Jeremiah 13 only has 27 verses, so what's verse 33? something dylan made up, or something else?

great exchange on Expecting Rain:

I think the first Bible mentuion in TUIB was two days later -- on November 26, 1978 -- in Houston:
"She opened up the Bible, and started quoting it to me/The Gospel according to Matthew, Verse 3, Chapter 33."
(Matthew 33 does not exist)

There is a list somewhere of the different scriptures he sang.

Thanks so much redsock, that's what this board is all about! :D

http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?p=1528423&sid=10ade3f07ee9b6d0a8f87dc2e335e02a

I guess it's from "Olof's files"

On another note, I never found any of Dylan's live lyrical revisions very good

Thanks so much redsock niels, that's what this board is all about! :D

and yeah, lots of good stuff on that thread. i didn't know about the Fan throwing a cross on the stage incident!

lol a lot of this esp the Slow Train Coming that kicks off the sampler sounds so sleazy for Jesus music

xp the cross throwing incident is def interesting, something very intriguing about bob's vague but dramatic framing

the p4k review is good! this is particularly otm imo:

For the most part, the songs on Trouble No More do not reflect the hope or contentment usually associated with praise music. They are as venomous and full of doom as Dylan’s more celebrated writing on war, politics, or love. Neither as warm and embracing as Cat Stevens’ nor as spiritually wise as Leonard Cohen’s, Dylan’s religious work seems to come from a place of fear—borderline paranoia.
...
Dylan’s voice sounds beautiful, fanatical, and somewhat insane, which is exactly how this material should be delivered.

I can't help but find a lot of this material funny, even if it is very sincere, there's something ridiculous about it. Like listening to a very eloquent but clearly paranoid preacher. Never noticed the lines from Precious Angel highlighted in the review:

Can they imagine the darkness that will fall from on high
When men will beg God to kill them and they won’t be able to die?

And this is from a song that really sounds like a 70s fm soft rock love song!

Look forward to hearing the entire set.

I can write and steal from people as well as anybody.
Know all the devices, paid a lot of prices,
I can influence people as well as anybody.
Go right up to 'em, I know how to do 'em.
Don't need to depend on tricks or on cards.
I can see through man's delusions, I can see through his facades.

wrt paranoia, is there info about Dylan's drug use during the period, cuz I get a real Cocaine Thoughts vibe from some of this

I'm poor can uh someone ysi this to me or sumthin

Jeremiah 13 only has 27 verses, so what's verse 33? something dylan made up, or something else?

― Karl Malone

i remember listening to dylan's theme time radio hour show on the cadillac on which he claimed that john xiii drove a cadillac. "Pope John XIII was Pope from 1 October 965 to his death in 972."

xp hmm I think the idea is that he ditched cocaine in favor of born again christianity but not sure if that's true (wasn't there something about a drug influence on the recording of Empire Burlesque?)

haha but yeah totally agree on the cocaine thoughts vibe

and of course we also get the mirror image of paranoia: megalomania

I was exposed a lot to that type of apocalyptic born-again "Jesus freak" Christianity growing up. It's a very specific flavor the religion, which sprouted up in Southern California in the '70s among ex-hippies. There's an edge to it of, I'm not sure paranoia is the wrong word, maybe "pre-millenial tension". It's very focused on the book of Revelations, end-time prophecies, the Rapture, etc. It rejects mainstream denominations and established churches. Anyway I don't want to go on and on. There are probably books about it. But it's that particular strain of Christianity that Bob converted to. If you've never listened to the Keith Green, check out some of his albums, for a similar vibe. Actually I think Green helped to bring Bob to Christ. "So You Wanna Go Back to Egypt" is maybe a good place to start. That kind of bipolar flip from "God is Love" to "God is About to Rain Hellfire on Your Ass" is something that just sounds normal to me.

xp hmm I think the idea is that he ditched cocaine in favor of born again christianity but not sure if that's true (wasn't there something about a drug influence on the recording of Empire Burlesque?)

― niels,

the drug was called Yamaha DX-7.

dylan seems to have been born for the mindset of the particular style of born-again christianity he adopted, and this more than anything is why i tend to look askance at this period of his. his sixties work, particularly his earlier work, trades heavily on righteousness, which, even before the jesus thing, had a nasty tendency to curdle into self-righteousness. once he started believing he had god on his side... well, he's not the first person in history to become the very thing he once denounced.

His sixties work had an emotional range, but his alienation from American get-along-go-along was part of the appeal: he really was the Punk Laureate, though sometimes merely nasty, kneejerk, or cranky, yeah. Goes with the territory.

once he started believing he had god on his side

see what you did here but (as yr basically saying) he always thought this; something like "when the ship comes in" is almost indistinguishable from the xtian stuff. so, otm. that's why i don't look askance at it tho-- whenever someone describes this material by way of making it sound Bad it just sounds to me like they're describing the 60s stuff and don't know it. the politics are obv worse and don't begrudge anyone disliking it who just dnfw paranoid xtians but his politics were always odd rly and turned inward quickly; that's the other side of the folkies getting mad at him that isn't just rite of spring philistinism, i guess.

xp and yeah urite this is a more monochromatic era than his 60s.

lyrically.

maybe.

Judging by descriptions of the music on this new box, guess it maybe wasn't as monochromatic/reductive as I once thought, but have to wait for a nice-priced Used to find out for sure.

As I once suspected, I should say, cos still haven't listened to Slow Train Coming or Saved or Shot of Love, or Infidels, for that matter, not all the way through any of those, just enough of 'em (along with the crazier songs on Street Legal)to get a whiff of that already-familiar xpost Cali street preacher, only with Big Money, hurrah ("Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes"). Political avatar.

But his specific xpost inward-turning politics only surface occasionally--like when he told that French interviewer that God cursed America for its involvement with slavery, from the beginning.

So: political symptom, I should have said about the eccentric rich man's righteous caravan bit.

But his specific xpost inward-turning politics only surface occasionally--like when he told that French interviewer that God cursed America for its involvement with slavery, from the beginning.

― dow

the guy who gave the world "tarantula" and "renaldo and clara" was never going to fit comfortably in the long term as a born-again christian; revivalist movements tend not to differentiate strangeness and moral deviancy. the crusade, the promise of liberation, all the great gospel music he grew up on, may have drawn him to the movement but to stay as a white evangelical he would have had to, for instance, abandon his anti-racism (pace nugent). i've never known white evangelicals to say that america was cursed by god for being founded on slavery. i've known a lot who say that america was divinely ordained by god.

I dunno, some of the stuff on this is the only time outside of idiot wind and a few parts of blood on the tracks that Dylan turns his vitriol on himself as well, like I Ain't Gonna Go to Hell For Anybody

when are we gonna get the BOTT set anyway?

I thought there was some talk about that prior to this, tylerw might know

would be cool to hear the complete Minneapolis and New York sessions

how much from those sessions hasn't already been bootlegged? just wondering if I should get my hopes up, or if it'll just be better sounding version of what's long been available.

i'm not a dylan expert but my impression is basically none of it has been bootlegged? the original new york acetate has been bootlegged but aside from that i think all that's out there is stuff from earlier volumes of the bootleg series.

Oh wtf are yall talking about now? My poor wallet can't take no more (well not much more)

some of the stuff on this is the only time outside of idiot wind and a few parts of blood on the tracks that Dylan turns his vitriol on himself as well
Get thee behind me Satan, now I gotta hear it! You're also making me think of the confessional ending of "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine" (to the tune of the pure-minded "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night") and the upfront warning in "I Pity The Poor Immigrant", "who turns his back on me", despite the more sympathetic or empathetic lines that follow---not so far from "Dear Landlord"'s "Every one of us can fill his life up with things he can see but he just cannot touch." Empathy takes some turns in the musically attractive, otherwise sometimes repulsive American cultural tradition, which incl. complicity and business-minded post-betrayal.
Also, in the version of "Ballad of A Thin Man" on Before The Flood, he sounds like he is Mr. Jones, lost and trapped, ditto (lost and trapped in knowledge of self and another, of a fucked relationship which will go on a while)in "Dirge" on Planet Waves.
And yeah, "Idiot Wind" hadda happen: after being on his best, sympathy-seeking behavior all through Blood On The Tracks, he lets the mask slip (maybe the divorce is finally a done deal). Go, Idiot Bob!

Slow Train Coming is the only ostensibly major Dylan I don't own, so I look forward to entry greasing my entry. I was mightily impressed by his vocal on "When He Returns" when I streamed the track a few months ago.

" i've never known white evangelicals to say that america was cursed by god for being founded on slavery. i've known a lot who say that america was divinely ordained by god."

those types say america is cursed for tolerating abortion and homosexuality very very often…