A shame they ain't playing "Academic," which has a good locked-down guitar groove.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
Yeah, 'Academic' was a huge grower for me.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
i saw them at radio city music hall earlier this year and it was awful! felt like they were drably going through the motions to a crowd that only reacted to the most obvious hits. glad to hear that that's not a universal experience these days.
― adam, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I'm kinda glad, in the end, I saw them when I did in 1989 -- I didn't get my beloved "Regret" for obvious reasons, but it was a stellar set and I can say I saw the original lineup before the slow unravelling and reconfigurations.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
Honestly I've passed on seeing them several times because I was worried it was going to be garbage. The show wasnt AMAZING but I was very glad I finally got to see them after all these years.
And yeah its surprising how much I actually like the newer stuff. I kinda wanted to hear Stray Dog. Barney could take the whole song off!
The greedy person in me is sad they didn't play Dream Attack tho =|
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
long thread here about the whys and wherefores of who did and said what to who and what the outcome is after today's legal settlement story stuff. kinda fascinating, especially the Electronic-paying-for-the-failure-of-Revenge bit which sounds like a classic Wilson move, and i mean that in a nice way.
https://twitter.com/mrmarkreed
― piscesx, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
Jesus, why even do that over Twitter?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
Twitter "threads" and people linking to them by just saying "Thread!" Are the dumbest thing about modern communication. I am happy new Order have settled their issues. Now I just want Hooky to suffer the rest of his life knowing he's an egotistical jackass who, as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music. All of his side projects were shit with the exception of 2 Monaco songs that sounded like New Order due to Pottsy singing like Bernard. Chapman doesn't ruin songs yelling in the mic like Hook did.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music.
Perform, sure. They sound great these days. But while the last few albums are good, I suspect they'd have been better with Hook involved. His solo work being bad doesn't mean he doesn't make New Order albums better.
One thing for sure is I liked it better when they were faceless ciphers about whom I knew absolutely nothing.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
100% agree with your last statement. It was much better in 1988 when I couldn't figure out who did what or even find much information about the band in magazines (being in the US). Sure, Hook's basslines are extremely influential, iconic, etc etc. But after the last 10 years of him spewing shit at the band, and his comments about Gillian, in particular, I just lost all respect for him. I know Chapman isn't half as good, but I did really enjoy the tracks on Music Complete that were clearly in a different style to Hooks. Tutti Frutti and People On The Highline, in particular. Hook may have made their albums better, but his persona on stage, and constant shouts in the mic were detrimental to my enjoyment of their live shows.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
So what happened then? Was it basically "here's a big chunk of money now fuck off?"
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
seems like an increased percentage on revenues from the band (i.e. licensing fee for use of the NO name)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
he really seemed to enjoy attacking Gillian in that memoir
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
I've never understood Hook's attitude towards Gillian. She was essential to the band, IMO.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
eh Hook is a guy who had a Zapruder-film like analysis of a long-ago bar fight with his ex and her bf in the photo section while insulting on them in the text, and they'd both died of cancer prior to the book's release, he doesn't like pulling his punches on anyone and he's incapable of letting go of any perceived or minor or perhaps even non-existent slights. i enjoyed the book since it's such a bizarre look into his mind and their career, but boy is he a toxic person.
― nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
if he had any humility people might actually give him his proper due. i think tbh Music Complete revealed him not as the secret weapon and heart of the band, but as a quality bonus.
― nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
At least all of this has got me listening to Music Complete again... to say I enjoy this more than I did when it was first released is a bit of an understatement.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
TOO-TI FROO-TI
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
BTW, today, the first day or Autumn, is my official 'Crystal' day.
Carry on (and Keep it Coming)
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
So now that the NO/Hook thing is legally (although I can still imagine a lot of press sniping) laid to rest, do you think it's probably more likely than ever that we'll get to see another New Order album?
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:58 (six years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/peter-hook-bernard-sumner-book-billboard-650x430.jpg
― piscesx, Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:31 (six years ago) link
I think the sniping and the Hook / Summer writing credits are done for good.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
I've been obsessing over the Liminanas' album, Shadow People. Peter Hook plays on this track (and it's pretty great).
https://youtu.be/Piul8Gvos4M
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 15 February 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link
Is "Love Vigilantes," corny or no, the only New Order song that features coherent or at least something other than boilerplate Sumner lyrics? Trying to think of what else might count ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
See, I think of "True Faith" as pretty boilerplate. "1963" ... yeah, I guess that's a pretty straight forward narrative.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
"narrative" as it concerns Sumner's drug-inspired fiction is loosely defined as one line following another logically and sequentially
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I suppose at the very least there is a specific gist to it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I wonder what compelled him those handfuls of times? He never struck me as the sort to carry around a notebook. More like the sort you have to lock in the room at the end of the sessions and force to come up with something.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
I'd have added "Regret" but we might be here all day.. oh wait..
― Mark G, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Liar has some coherent / narrative lyrics.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
and "Times Change" too. He was learning!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
and "Special"! I love "Special" – it was like water down the drain.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
I just learned that Robert Frank (RIP) directed the enigmatic, but oddly affecting "Run" video.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
Huh. Had either never known or completely forgotten it!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJnKf4bBEU
this is a wonderful cover
― ufo, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
Wow.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
Shares some DNA, retroactively, with "Schizophrenia."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
nice, he should do a new order cover album. and i never really noticed before but his and beck's voice are quite similar.
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 12 September 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/98/ac/0a/98ac0a07e12212c32e9b8978bdf657b4--dream-baby-punk-rock.jpg
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 12 September 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfPeQrNaoI
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
never thought about that second meaning that thieves could like them. bernard sumner seems pretty stoned in that interview. great performance of the song, gillian is lovely with her dress.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
always figured Thieves Like Us was yet another title Joy Division or New Order just grabbed from the latest repertoire movie listings.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 27 October 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I'd read that the film poster in their rehearsal space gave New Order quite a few song titles, including Thieves Like Us:
"The title (= Vanishing Point) is another culled from that faded film poster in their old rehearsal room, which provided 'In a Lonely Place' and 'Thieves Like Us'."
https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/aug/06/new-order-10-of-the-best
According to Bernard Sumner: "We did a concert in Berlin with Joy Division in this old cinema and in the dressing room there was this old, old film poster on the wall. And we stole it, and took it back to our rehearsal room and it listed every film that was going to be on for, like, the next five years at this German cinema. And every time we wanted a title, we'd look at this film poster and pick two or three titles. Like 'The Eternal' came from a film called The Eternal Flame." (Chris Ott, Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures)
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 27 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
That's the kind of thing that someone with enough time could get to the bottom of. In 1980 Joy Division played at Kant Kino, Berlin, so the poster was probably from there. If the internet had existed in 1980 someone could have used that information to predict future New Order song titles. It's probably not as useful now.
There is an alternative world where New Order's second album was called She's 19 and Ready, containing the classic singles "The Maddest Car in the World" and "Housewives on the Job".
― Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
By the way the Kant Kino is still going.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 28 October 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
Komakino was probably named after the Kant Kino. The concert was a disaster as the room was only half full. The audience couldn't hear Ian sing. I like the following "dialogue":
"When a spectator shouted ,lauter, lauter‘ (louder, louder), Bernard Sumner replied: ,Speak fucking English you German bastard‘."
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 28 October 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
Dunno if this has been posted before, but... well if so, enjoy it again!
"It was supposed to be @neworder but they apparently had a row about which song to do so only @peterhook turned up - bass Peter Hook all other parts played on @Apple MAC"
https://youtu.be/HaW3GVaAzs8
― jaywbabcock, Friday, 17 January 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
when this song appeared as snippets between the video clips on the Substance VHS, I connected it to my tape deck and used the pause button to splice them into one song.
― dan selzer, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link