Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

there might have been a chair, also a space. there was a scent.

no no no

there was a feeling

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html?referer=https://t.co/FsClOQQgFw?amp=1

glad this is finally out there.

hope it tanks his career, have a niggling doubt it won't

Really? Idk dude is done, if Kevin Spacey is getting replaced in movies, Weinstein's career was over in less than a week, and now Louis' movie premiere & Colbert appearance were cancelled before this story came out, I think it's curtains on his career.

lots of 'where's the evidence' and 'ethics in gawker journalism' upthread when this stuff was rumoured years ago

if it had been better reported at the time, perhaps it would've led to the story breaking earlier! Shift in public opinon and what looks to be some serious Times reporting is what got the job done; there's three major writers attached to the story.

give me a break

5 and a half years ago (when the gawker story came out) isn't today and our cultural moment. I'm sure nobody wanted to talk about it on record. If they did want to why did the NYT not cover the story then? Why leave it to Gawker?

yeah the problem w/ the gawker thing was that they published it without having talked to any of the victims, witnesses, or louis ck. they wrote "we heard this rumor can anyone confirm that for us"

that's v different from the NYT sop

yet the details of the incident in aspen were correct

In 2015, a few months before the now-defunct website Defamer circulated rumors of Louis C.K.’s alleged sexual misconduct, Ms. Corry also received an email from Louis C.K., which was obtained by The Times, saying he owed her a “very very very late apology.” When he phoned her, he said was sorry for shoving her in a bathroom. Ms. Corry replied that he had never done that, but had instead asked to masturbate in front of her. Responding in a shaky voice, he acknowledged it and said, “I used to misread people back then,” she recalled.

wow, i wonder how many more are out there?

probably countless?

must be so embarrassing to mix up your assault victims

you can get the story right and report it wrong. media sits on so many stories bc they can't substantiate them and they have a higher standard than feeling pretty sure about it. i don't regret arguing against gawker's MO above.

in any case, now is totally the wrong time to have the gawker reporting argument

this is immensely disappointing news and it's depressing and unjustifiable that this guy fucked with any number of women's careers and lives.

huh I had assumed it was the Garfunkel and Oates ladies

xxp

I'm really curious to see how this one goes because most of these guys who've been shamed recently don't have a huge devoted fanbase or aren't considered in their prime. Will Jen Kirkman speak out and how are all of Louis' angry guy fellow comedians going to treat this?

I think it's curtains on his career.

mel gibson is billed above title in a christmas comedy this year

i don't think it's curtains on his career fwiw. as gross + despicable as it is, the allegations are not as serious as the ones made against kevin spacey + harvey weinstein.

Everyone assumed it was Garfunkel and Oates because it was reported as such, thanks to some "researchers" deductions.

I imagine he'll keep writing things like Better Things and do more stuff behind the scenes for a while. Maybe write a book or do an hour stand-up in a hair shirt.

do more stuff behind the scenes for a while

shades of Roscoe Arbuckle, who directed under a pseudonym

(Tho he was acquiited 3 times, i am an agnostic on Arbuckle's case as i simply don't know enough)

genuinely concerned as to how this is gonna impact Better Things; the show has been up and down this season but it feels vital and Pam Adlon is an important and compelling voice on television

i am an agnostic on Arbuckle's case as i simply don't know enough

Kenneth Anger's account is p persuasive

feel like Hollywood Babylon should be required reading for 2017

Morbs, have you read this?

Room 1219: The Life of Fatty Arbuckle, the Mysterious Death of Virginia Rappe, and the Scandal That Changed Hollywood

i stayed in that hotel. somewhat strangely, the in-house video about the history of the place that ran on a loop on one of the channels featured the Arbuckle case quite prominently.

obv the proper career move for him is to go full alt-right

then go on tour with Gallagher

I def haven't read any books on Arbuckle. What did Anger write?

Been a fan of Louis' for a couplefew years, but was always skeeved out by all his pervy "I think about sex 24/7" stuff. Guess I was right to be.

genuinely concerned as to how this is gonna impact Better Things

if your take away from this is genuine concern for a mediocre show about a rich famous person in hollywood and their rich person problems...

i'm capable of having more than one thought and concern simultaneously, thanks

tbh I thought of Adlon as well, since she's collaborated closely with him for many years now

ok sorry.. just seems dismissive of the victims but I get it

Anger has a chapter on the Arbuckle thing in Hollywood Babylon. It's not as exhaustively researched as a whole book (and it's written in his salacious ironic scandal-rag tone) but it convinced me.

xp

of his guilt or innocence?

guilt

Normal men do not have to desperately masturbate constantly in front of other people. What the fuck is the matter with all these men.

I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. That's just the way I am. They're just my beliefs. I just believing them. I like that part. They're my little "believies": they make me feel good about who I am, but if they get in the way of a thing I want, or I want to jack off or something, I fucking do that.

If I had heard that years ago, I'd wonder what belief stops him from jerking off in private.

i really do hope his career is over.

it won't be

yeah the problem w/ the gawker thing was that they published it without having talked to any of the victims, witnesses, or louis ck. they wrote "we heard this rumor can anyone confirm that for us"

that's v different from the NYT sop

― Mordy, Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

the victims were too scared to talk, louis wouldn't say anything (and hasn't to anyone still), but we had a source who they spoke to immediately after, and who had received communications from louis attempting to apologize for his behavior. the bones of the times' exact story was there. i get why people had adverse reactions to the story but i was confident in it for a reason. i believed at the time that putting a story like that out into the world was worthwhile, and i think that's been borne out now. debating the ethos of a dead site is pretty useless but i take it as vindication that what i wrote was close enough to what the times published that they felt it necessary to link to it in their story. and for what it's worth -- and i alluded to this once in this thread before -- i was referred to sources in the times' story directly by a very well known hollywood person, and the sources point blank told that person "if we speak publicly about this our careers will be over." i'm happy they no longer feel that way.

as far as continuing to be a fan of this guy, there are plenty of talented and smart famous artists who don't do shit like Louis CK has done (though there are plenty less who don't do it then we probably assume!)

at least there are probably a few internet macros that can replace his sincere talk show moments.

i appreciate your work there, J0rdan

i think this vs Mel Gibson is a bit different, in that Gibson's can unfortunately be easily chalked up by many to drunken rants or alcoholism or whatever.

the English took his land iirc

monday morning quarterbacking the now-vindicated gawker story seems really weird given the fact that i seriously doubt today's NYT story would have even happened had the gawker story not happened first

Will Jen Kirkman speak out and how are all of Louis' angry guy fellow comedians going to treat this?

Though he apologized for his one time comment to me, I will no longer casually call Louie a friend. I can't support what I now KNOW are his contributions to the power dynamic in this business.

— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) November 9, 2017

I was fucked over many times by Jezebel and the Daily Beast. People saying I said things I didn't say. If you want to choose not to believe me, great. But this is why women don't talk about ANYTHING. So I'm done. The end.

— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) November 9, 2017

(more on her twitter)