Search and Destroy : New Order

they were wonderful earlier this year or last year in Berkeley, whenever that was. Same setlist I think.

Barney did a subtle dis on the Cure - paraphrasing but something like 'we got an extra long set for you tonight. like the Cure. wait no, well maybe half as long as the Cure'

Some people in the crowd as we were leaving weren't impressed with the remixing of the classics. I kinda loved it. I also liked the alt version of Waiting for the Siren's Call..

nice they're still playing new songs

They shoot themselves in the foot for not playing the Shep Pettibone mix of Bizarre Love Triangle. The roar they get when the crowd recognizes the intro is huge and this updated version loses that recognition completely. I like the new versions, but I can see the side of those complaining.

that sounds like a lovely show and wanted to go to it. i decided not to attend as i have seen New Order too many times around Los Angeles. glad you had fun.

that's a great set! last time I had tickets to see them I... forgot them in Austin and didn't remember until I got to Houston. oops.

Last time I saw them I really hadn't been planning to see them, and minus Hook made it tougher to drag me out of the house. But they were great.

TOO-TI FROO-TI

A shame they ain't playing "Academic," which has a good locked-down guitar groove.

Yeah, 'Academic' was a huge grower for me.

i saw them at radio city music hall earlier this year and it was awful! felt like they were drably going through the motions to a crowd that only reacted to the most obvious hits. glad to hear that that's not a universal experience these days.

I'm kinda glad, in the end, I saw them when I did in 1989 -- I didn't get my beloved "Regret" for obvious reasons, but it was a stellar set and I can say I saw the original lineup before the slow unravelling and reconfigurations.

Honestly I've passed on seeing them several times because I was worried it was going to be garbage. The show wasnt AMAZING but I was very glad I finally got to see them after all these years.

And yeah its surprising how much I actually like the newer stuff. I kinda wanted to hear Stray Dog. Barney could take the whole song off!

The greedy person in me is sad they didn't play Dream Attack tho =|

long thread here about the whys and wherefores of who did and said what to who and what the outcome is after today's
legal settlement story stuff. kinda fascinating, especially the Electronic-paying-for-the-failure-of-Revenge bit which sounds like a classic Wilson move, and i mean that in a nice way.

https://twitter.com/mrmarkreed

Jesus, why even do that over Twitter?

Twitter "threads" and people linking to them by just saying "Thread!" Are the dumbest thing about modern communication. I am happy new Order have settled their issues. Now I just want Hooky to suffer the rest of his life knowing he's an egotistical jackass who, as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music. All of his side projects were shit with the exception of 2 Monaco songs that sounded like New Order due to Pottsy singing like Bernard. Chapman doesn't ruin songs yelling in the mic like Hook did.

as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music.

Perform, sure. They sound great these days. But while the last few albums are good, I suspect they'd have been better with Hook involved. His solo work being bad doesn't mean he doesn't make New Order albums better.

One thing for sure is I liked it better when they were faceless ciphers about whom I knew absolutely nothing.

100% agree with your last statement. It was much better in 1988 when I couldn't figure out who did what or even find much information about the band in magazines (being in the US). Sure, Hook's basslines are extremely influential, iconic, etc etc. But after the last 10 years of him spewing shit at the band, and his comments about Gillian, in particular, I just lost all respect for him. I know Chapman isn't half as good, but I did really enjoy the tracks on Music Complete that were clearly in a different style to Hooks. Tutti Frutti and People On The Highline, in particular. Hook may have made their albums better, but his persona on stage, and constant shouts in the mic were detrimental to my enjoyment of their live shows.

So what happened then? Was it basically "here's a big chunk of money now fuck off?"

seems like an increased percentage on revenues from the band (i.e. licensing fee for use of the NO name)

he really seemed to enjoy attacking Gillian in that memoir

I've never understood Hook's attitude towards Gillian. She was essential to the band, IMO.

eh Hook is a guy who had a Zapruder-film like analysis of a long-ago bar fight with his ex and her bf in the photo section while insulting on them in the text, and they'd both died of cancer prior to the book's release, he doesn't like pulling his punches on anyone and he's incapable of letting go of any perceived or minor or perhaps even non-existent slights. i enjoyed the book since it's such a bizarre look into his mind and their career, but boy is he a toxic person.

if he had any humility people might actually give him his proper due. i think tbh Music Complete revealed him not as the secret weapon and heart of the band, but as a quality bonus.

At least all of this has got me listening to Music Complete again... to say I enjoy this more than I did when it was first released is a bit of an understatement.

TOO-TI FROO-TI

BTW, today, the first day or Autumn, is my official 'Crystal' day.

Carry on (and Keep it Coming)

So now that the NO/Hook thing is legally (although I can still imagine a lot of press sniping) laid to rest, do you think it's probably more likely than ever that we'll get to see another New Order album?

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/peter-hook-bernard-sumner-book-billboard-650x430.jpg

I think the sniping and the Hook / Summer writing credits are done for good.

I've been obsessing over the Liminanas' album, Shadow People. Peter Hook plays on this track (and it's pretty great).

https://youtu.be/Piul8Gvos4M

Is "Love Vigilantes," corny or no, the only New Order song that features coherent or at least something other than boilerplate Sumner lyrics? Trying to think of what else might count ...

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

See, I think of "True Faith" as pretty boilerplate. "1963" ... yeah, I guess that's a pretty straight forward narrative.

"narrative" as it concerns Sumner's drug-inspired fiction is loosely defined as one line following another logically and sequentially

Yeah, I suppose at the very least there is a specific gist to it.

I wonder what compelled him those handfuls of times? He never struck me as the sort to carry around a notebook. More like the sort you have to lock in the room at the end of the sessions and force to come up with something.

I'd have added "Regret" but we might be here all day.. oh wait..

Liar has some coherent / narrative lyrics.

and "Times Change" too. He was learning!

and "Special"! I love "Special" – it was like water down the drain.

I just learned that Robert Frank (RIP) directed the enigmatic, but oddly affecting "Run" video.

Huh. Had either never known or completely forgotten it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJnKf4bBEU

this is a wonderful cover

Wow.

Shares some DNA, retroactively, with "Schizophrenia."

nice, he should do a new order cover album. and i never really noticed before but his and beck's voice are quite similar.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/98/ac/0a/98ac0a07e12212c32e9b8978bdf657b4--dream-baby-punk-rock.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfPeQrNaoI