Amazing story, UMS! Great interview, Josh!
― Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
Wonderful piece, Al. And this is otm: Call “2541” the “Maybe I’m Amazed” of genteel poverty
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
Would totally buy Having Fun with Grant Hart Onstage
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
btw - Josh that's the best interview I've read w/Grant
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
yeah, thanks for the link
― sleeve, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
Thanks. For obvious reasons I wish there were a lot more of them out there.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
do you have an archive transcripts?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
I've been bitching about this forever but can we briefly discuss how fucking insane "New Day Rising" would have been if you swapped out "How to Skin a Cat" & "Whatcha Drinkin" for "2541"?
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
Was 2541 written at that point? That's nuts!
― Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
I like Robert Forster's version too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_uiLSk6lLE
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
yeah josh that interview is great
― here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
― Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:28 (one minute ago) Permalink
It was written for the record, they practiced it, Bob didn't like it.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
stevie, read the bit at the bottom of this page:
http://www.thirdav.com/hd_images/msp_sites/2541_house.html
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
Grant always kind of down played it but I think there is a reason that it was his first solo single
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
Really gutted about this. RIP Grant
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
I must - and the cassette, too - but tbh my editor at the time (who is now at NPR) was so cool I'm sure it was published more or less verbatim, even if I half remember a couple of other stories that may or may not have been from this interview.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
About to drive from NYC to Bethesda with friends There are things it will be obligatory to play on this drive, idgaf
Also - things I didn't know about grant until yesterday:
He has a kid?Fake Name Graphics was grant?
Also - is there audio of that show w the little johnny jewel encore? Or even just the encore?
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
I've read that he has two kids, both adults now I think.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
xpost OK, found the original transcript, and I was totally right, there is a big hunk where he goes off the record. Talks a bit about Bob, the immediate aftermath of the band's breakup, and, tangentially, the Replacements. Angry and interesting and maybe not totally surprising, yet ... off the record, so don't know what to do with it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
Let's all grab a beer and discuss it.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Post it on 77
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
Eh forget I said that
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
I've been struggling with how to write about Hart's queerness, of which I've seen little but passing mentions.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
I honestly didn't even know he had kids or a family.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
Alfred, this guy tried awhile ago, re Grant and Bob
http://dentalhospital.tumblr.com/post/123117605615/bob-and-grant
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, September 15, 2017 10:23 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark
totally completely fucking insane!!! omg
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
yeah it's kind of infuriating in retrospect, it's one thing if it were left off this perfect record but to leave it off in favor of two obvious throwaways is pretty shitty
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
Now That You Know Me, is this the only Grant solo track that was (if I'm remembering right, I think I have a copy of it somewhere) demoed or played with Husker Du?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
xpostI mean I don't know if it was those two songs specifically but if I wrote "2541" and was told it wasn't good enough and those two songs stayed...I don't know if I would have been in the band for two more yrs.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 15, 2017 12:06 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wasn't this a partial catalyst in the breakup of the band? his kid was conceived around this time, right?
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
or at least, it happened close to when they broke up
xp yes, Bob claims in his book he said to Grant "hey uhhh.... eh it kinda sounds like the Dream Syndicate single now, maybe we shouldn't." and then suggests that was "the beginning of the end." obviously take a salt shaker w that
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Is he thinking about "Tell Me When It's Over?" Because I hear that, if only very loosely.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
well sounds like he meant it planted a seed of discontent xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
xp I doubt it, that's from '82
― sleeve, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
There's a version of Now That You Know Me played here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJr6GIyUi80
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i love this reason of Bob's, don't want to sound like this iconic song no one can seem to remember the name of by global mega stars Dream Syndicate that dominated the airwaves and MTV in the fall of 84!!
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
well, he wasn't a soothsayer :)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
at some point yesterday after the fog of sadness lifted, I though 'Grant has a wife?!".
― campreverb, Friday, 15 September 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
great jon wurster appreciation: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/drummer-jon-wurster-on-grant-hart-the-center-of-a-hurricane-w503420
― tylerw, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
I have been playing through all of the Husker Du albums, something I don't think I've ever actually done before; as a kid, I got very hung up on Zen Arcade, particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.
I'm still not a gigantic fan of hardcore vocals but these guys are continuously playing their asses off to a degree I certainly didn't appreciate as a kid. Also, "Diane" is a sledgehammer of a song; I almost got hung up on repeating that but I really want to go through the whole catalog before circling back on obsession points.
I am finding that I like this band even more than I thought I did, which makes me sadder about Grant's passing and that I didn't appreciate what he and his bandmates had done more while he was alive.
RIP
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.
I always wished they'd done more things along the lines of "Reoccurring Dreams." Given how incredible it is (particularly the live versions), it's sad and kind of bewildering that they never went back to that well.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
They did a mean helter skelter live which is a kind of similar thing - basically a vehicle for weird jazz rock improv noise. There was version on the 'don't wanna know if you are lonely' 12"
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
he's from Serbia and said Grant played Serbia in 1994
Coincidentally came across what might be a recording of those shows the other day (link says 1995) -- from the soundboard, great quality.
http://ivemadeyouatape.blogspot.com/2011/03/grant-hart-live-kst-beograd-1718111995.html
― early rejecter, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
Hare Krishna is a personal fave, just a huge mountain of sound collapsing around you
― sleeve, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
Marshall Crenshaw did a really nice cover of "Twenty-Five Forty-One" (starts around 3:30). You'd have to go some to do a bad one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWs4nnLKAr0
― clemenza, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi6Z8BHiH1g
......
― mark e, Friday, 15 September 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, September 15, 2017 3:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, September 15, 2017 3:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"How To Skin A Cat" and "The Wit & The Wisdom" have long sounded to me like MX-80 Sound originals, but I can certainly hear KC, now that you mention it.
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Saturday, 16 September 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link