Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

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the books are super fucked up

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (two years ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, let's not confuse our mediums here.

I will say that whenever people complained about how they changed things from the books, not only was it in many cases for the better, but in one case -- The Spy Who Loved Me -- Fleming explicitly laid down a condition that if an adaptation was made the only thing that could be used was the title, nothing else. So they just remade You Only Live Twice and made Moore's best 70s Bond film as a result.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:29 (two years ago) link

why the condition for just the one book?

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:33 (two years ago) link

Due to its poor critical reception at the time -- also it's a very atypical book in all compared to the rest: first person narration, the 'me' being a woman who Bond eventually rescues. He doesn't show up until more than half way through it, IIRC!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:52 (two years ago) link

It's a fun book if you're interested in a peak at Fleming's weird ideas, and well-written as usual. But yeah, very skippable. The movie's fun - maybe the only 100% successful Moore movie - but I don't consider it an "improvement" as it's effectively a different story with the same title. Goldfinger, otoh, seems to have been written by someone who understood exactly what was wrong with the book and how to fix it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (two years ago) link

(peek, sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (two years ago) link

Goldfinger screenplay co-written by an interesting writer and critic called Paul Dehn, who also wrote the screenplay for the The Spy Who Came in From the Cold and a number of the Planet of the Apes movies(as well as the lyrics to the faux folk song 'O Willow Waly' that features in the film The Innocents). Dehn's long-term partner was James Bernard, who wrote the music for most of the classic Hammer horrors.

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:33 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

Ugh.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

Cilliam Murphy is....

Bond

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:31 (one year ago) link

I'm gonna call it and say Danny Boyle will make a Bond movie that'll be better than the last three.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

yeah i am willing to roll the dice with Boyle.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

Boyle I think is good with dynamic action, the problem with Mendes was while he made everything look like a painting, his compositions I thought were a bit too "big" if that makes sense and for all the movement within the frames everything seemed very inert in a lot of ways bc he went oversized. I can't put my finger on it precisely idk. He wanted to do elegant vv pretty action and it was just DOA. He was trying to achieve the same end result as Bird and McQuarrie did with MI 4 and 5 and it just didn't work. Boyle I trust to actually achieve something a bit more in keeping with what Martin Campbell did in Casino Royale.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:04 (one year ago) link

I agree with what you said about Mendes, but obviously John Logan was a major problem as well. The villains in the last two Bonds were shite, the plots messy, tonally they were all over the place, a mix of the blunt killer Bond of CR and QOS with silly Q-teasing Bond, featuring the old Bond cars and the old Bond cliches and the old Moneypenny (sort of).

Logan's gone, thankfully. Not sure if Purvis & Wade are working with Boyle and Hodge or if we get the first Bond since Tomorrow Never Dies not co-written by the pair.

abcfsk, Friday, 16 March 2018 08:57 (one year ago) link

Yeah definitely can't take away from John Logan's influence, I think there's a balance the best Bonds achieve between serious business and casual humor that the last couple especially failed at. They were trying to be very impressive and they were also the most glaring examples of a perfectly decent franchise trying to Dark Knight things up a bit. Okay the Cumberbatch Star Trek was probably worse actually.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Well, well

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (one year ago) link

Time to stop making auteur wishlists for the Bond director gig.. The Broccolis will always want to ghost direct!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:38 (one year ago) link

there goes their shot at making this at least quasi interesting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

Thought the revive would be about the rumours that Idris Elba is lined up to play Bond.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:57 (one year ago) link

More interesting than the director is whether the script goes ahead without Purvis & Wade as planned

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

God, please

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

Danny Boyle would've made a fun Bond sure but I do still look forward to Ken Loach's take on the iconic spy

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) August 22, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 18:58 (one year ago) link

Loach, Gareth Evans or Joanna Hogg, all fine by me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:03 (one year ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:05 (one year ago) link

Don't know if Craig has any sway but as they worked on Logan Lucky together I wouldn't rule it out.

FWIW would love to see what Paul Verhoeven would do with it.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

james gunn’s available iirc

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:18 (one year ago) link

Albert Brooks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:21 (one year ago) link

Brad Bird

omar little, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:26 (one year ago) link

i was gonna say it's a little redundant but basically any m:i director not named jj abrams would've prob made a good bond film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:35 (one year ago) link

Verhoeven doing a PG-13 action film would be a waste.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:42 (one year ago) link

omar otm

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:45 (one year ago) link

Based on how well the fight scenes were staged in the last WHAS, I'd go for David Wain

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:25 (one year ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

https://resizing.flixster.com/Kngkfhcif-r24cJqI7_IaokXdHE=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3MzcwNjtqOzE3ODU5OzEyMDA7ODAwOzEyMDA

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:37 (one year ago) link

Just get a good cinematographer and stunt coordinator and a journeyman director.

abcfsk, Thursday, 23 August 2018 07:12 (one year ago) link

that’s irrelevant unless the atrocious writers are replaced as you said before!

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:16 (one year ago) link

like, Boyle & Hodge wld have been meat & potatoes, but Skyfall was watery gruel with plaster in it & Spectre was a greasy turd with a paper umbrella stuck in it at a jaunty angle

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:19 (one year ago) link

still get angry when I think about Spectre.

maybe this is naive but I don't understand why you'd spend millions making a movie and not go to the trouble of making sure your screenplay isn't total garbage, how hard can it be?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:32 (one year ago) link

bond movies are copyright-maintenance exercises where the scripts are product ads strung together with action setpieces

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:47 (one year ago) link

why bother thinking to hard about the scripts when showcasing jaguar and patek philippe or whatever is much more important

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:48 (one year ago) link

yes, sure, but is it actively more expensive/time-consuming to have a not shit script?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:59 (one year ago) link

well, at the very least you gotta find a decent writer who wants to do it, can do it for the budget the broccolis are willing to pay, and is available to turn in a final draft for the date they need to hit in order to meet their release date, so it probably is, yeah!

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 09:09 (one year ago) link

the problem with the last pair in particular was the sense that they really wanted to make critically approved action masterpieces as opposed to making great Bond films. So they made them ponderous and weighty and full of all kinds of Nolan hand-me-downs w/r/t motivation and "the past haunting the present" and all that bullshit.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:48 (one year ago) link

Quantum of Solace for all its faults was less a disaster than it was more of a throwback to the more mediocre (and yet still entertaining) Connery/Moore Bond films.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:51 (one year ago) link

quantum is gorgeously filmed except for the action sequences which are nonsense. it v rapidly evaporates from memory but i really enjoy it when it's on

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (one year ago) link

skyfall and spectre both suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (one year ago) link

i have probably posted both of those opinions 10000x before

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:56 (one year ago) link

no Bond film should ever involve the villain appearing on one end of a very long room and taking a ten minute walk towards the camera while delivering a monologue, I'm pretty sure Torgo from Manos Hands of Fate walked faster than Silva in that scene.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:00 (one year ago) link

Hahahah. But art!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:03 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

ah ffs

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 September 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

I'm getting too old for I'm getting too old for this shit

lol i watched the trailer with the sound off and his facial expression every single time is like CONFUSED OLD MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT HIM

j., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:52 (one week ago) link

it's pretty much the same with the sound on

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:59 (one week ago) link

god almighty are they still doing "i'm too old for this shit?"

haven't watched the trailer but tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

a bond film has to be really really really shitty for me not to like it too, and i hate skyfall and spectre, they're empty and cynical and negatively influenced by the nolan batmans

yeah I think there are maybe three good Bond films but Spectre is the first one I didn't have fun watching & felt aggressively insulted by at the time (Skyfall took a few hours: saw it in IMAX with a group of dudes and we walked out enthusing. by lunch the next day I sent a group email formally recanting my enthusiasm and naming bad shit that bugged me. iirc the stalking & shootout scene at the end is well done in itself, but the dumb Burton / Nolan portentous daddy issues stuff is ladled onto the house so badly)

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:56 (one week ago) link

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer. Connery put more effort into NSNA than Craig did in Casino Royale - he looked a bit tired then and that was supposedly 'young inexperienced Bond'.

hoping that craig dies at the end and lashana lynch is the new 007 tbh

^^^ her character is the only reason I might even bother seeing this movie.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:02 (one week ago) link

i disagree so much, craig enlivens casino royale

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:06 (one week ago) link

Craig was IMO so outstanding in CR — I think the subsequent performances he’s given haven’t been bad per se it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond and while he gives it his best shot it’s tough to overcome and find his way to liven up the performances w/levity when every other character is darkly intoning about your painful past and others are bragging that they’re “the author of all your pain”.

CR was a perfect balance for him w/the humor and toughness mixed with a vulnerability that felt real and not narratively false (cf his breakdown at the end of Skyfall).

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:21 (one week ago) link

yeah I think that's one of the reasons CR is so good, tough/"gritty" Bond cuts satisfyingly against the relatively not-that-grim movie around him.

that and the setpieces are just so easy to follow

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:29 (one week ago) link

i will go on the same journey i have been on for the past x bond films ie remain IRRATIONALLY, EXCITABLY STOKED for everything until evidence proves otherwise

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:33 (one week ago) link

trailer looks great i am excite

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:40 (one week ago) link

:)

it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond

it's an ill fit for Craig too! the dude from Logan Lucky could bring so much to a late-Connery / Lazenby / early Moore style fun spy adventure

gonna see Knives Out tonight, hoping for notes of goofy Craig in that too

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:43 (one week ago) link

imo you will not be disappointed!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:44 (one week ago) link

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer.

It's been a while since I've seen NSNA but IIRC the entire plot is "lol, look how old and fat Bond is now, watch him get winded walking up stairs"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:48 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqYoLRTgI8
It's revealed immediately afterwards to have been a training exercise, and M chews out Bond for being out of shape, but really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu77iLGLBs

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:59 (one week ago) link

After the initial bit at Shrublands, Bond's supposed lack of fitness is never mentioned again, and he spends the rest of the movie kicking ass as good as he did in From Russia With Love.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:01 (one week ago) link

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:03 (one week ago) link

yeah it's in the upper tiers of bond movies imo. the "lol vegetable shake???" stuff (to which Spectre, bafflingly, paid homage) is the weakest part of it. obv not the best connery bond but not the worst either.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:04 (one week ago) link

NSNA is a solid flick though, when i was a kid i had zero idea about the chronology of where it fell in terms of Bond movies let alone the particulars of the rights issues but it's not like Connery or any of the Bonds were ever *not* a bit worn.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:06 (one week ago) link

connery is more engaged in nsna than he is in diamonds are forever

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:08 (one week ago) link

I'm in danger of drifting off the thread topic, but I like how the villain Largo's motive in NSNA is that he's a bored billionaire who thinks it'll be a big laugh. Almost like Elon Musk.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:09 (one week ago) link

back on topic: the logo for Bond #25 looks like a 70s action movie, possibly starring Charles Bronson or George Peppard.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:10 (one week ago) link

i don’t like NSNA? - maybe bc I didnt see it until much later in life

idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:33 (one week ago) link

xpost yes! i like it too for tbat reason

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:34 (one week ago) link

also excited that we may get GUNFIGHTING IN THE SNOW - my fave

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:34 (one week ago) link

tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

poss could have phrased this less distractingly by saying “ten years older than Connery was when he quit for the second time

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 00:47 (one week ago) link

imo you will not be disappointed

ha ha yes

hopefully now that he is free of Bond he can start cracking out a Benoit Blanc mystery every three years

if Rian Johnson has to quit his trilogy of Star Warses to meet this pace, oh well

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:06 (one week ago) link

Amazing there will have been 3 Star Wars films and 2 spin offs since the last Bond.

piscesx, Friday, 6 December 2019 14:35 (one week ago) link

that's one word for it, aye

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 14:35 (one week ago) link

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

― omar little, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:03 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is such a Morbsian comment I had to check it twice!

regarding the trailer: stop ruining movies, andrew lloyd webber

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 8 December 2019 00:23 (one week ago) link


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