Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

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the books are super fucked up

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (one year ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, let's not confuse our mediums here.

I will say that whenever people complained about how they changed things from the books, not only was it in many cases for the better, but in one case -- The Spy Who Loved Me -- Fleming explicitly laid down a condition that if an adaptation was made the only thing that could be used was the title, nothing else. So they just remade You Only Live Twice and made Moore's best 70s Bond film as a result.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:29 (one year ago) link

why the condition for just the one book?

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:33 (one year ago) link

Due to its poor critical reception at the time -- also it's a very atypical book in all compared to the rest: first person narration, the 'me' being a woman who Bond eventually rescues. He doesn't show up until more than half way through it, IIRC!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:52 (one year ago) link

It's a fun book if you're interested in a peak at Fleming's weird ideas, and well-written as usual. But yeah, very skippable. The movie's fun - maybe the only 100% successful Moore movie - but I don't consider it an "improvement" as it's effectively a different story with the same title. Goldfinger, otoh, seems to have been written by someone who understood exactly what was wrong with the book and how to fix it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (one year ago) link

(peek, sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (one year ago) link

Goldfinger screenplay co-written by an interesting writer and critic called Paul Dehn, who also wrote the screenplay for the The Spy Who Came in From the Cold and a number of the Planet of the Apes movies(as well as the lyrics to the faux folk song 'O Willow Waly' that features in the film The Innocents). Dehn's long-term partner was James Bernard, who wrote the music for most of the classic Hammer horrors.

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:33 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

Ugh.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

Cilliam Murphy is....

Bond

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:31 (one year ago) link

I'm gonna call it and say Danny Boyle will make a Bond movie that'll be better than the last three.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

yeah i am willing to roll the dice with Boyle.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

Boyle I think is good with dynamic action, the problem with Mendes was while he made everything look like a painting, his compositions I thought were a bit too "big" if that makes sense and for all the movement within the frames everything seemed very inert in a lot of ways bc he went oversized. I can't put my finger on it precisely idk. He wanted to do elegant vv pretty action and it was just DOA. He was trying to achieve the same end result as Bird and McQuarrie did with MI 4 and 5 and it just didn't work. Boyle I trust to actually achieve something a bit more in keeping with what Martin Campbell did in Casino Royale.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:04 (one year ago) link

I agree with what you said about Mendes, but obviously John Logan was a major problem as well. The villains in the last two Bonds were shite, the plots messy, tonally they were all over the place, a mix of the blunt killer Bond of CR and QOS with silly Q-teasing Bond, featuring the old Bond cars and the old Bond cliches and the old Moneypenny (sort of).

Logan's gone, thankfully. Not sure if Purvis & Wade are working with Boyle and Hodge or if we get the first Bond since Tomorrow Never Dies not co-written by the pair.

abcfsk, Friday, 16 March 2018 08:57 (one year ago) link

Yeah definitely can't take away from John Logan's influence, I think there's a balance the best Bonds achieve between serious business and casual humor that the last couple especially failed at. They were trying to be very impressive and they were also the most glaring examples of a perfectly decent franchise trying to Dark Knight things up a bit. Okay the Cumberbatch Star Trek was probably worse actually.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Well, well

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (one year ago) link

Time to stop making auteur wishlists for the Bond director gig.. The Broccolis will always want to ghost direct!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:38 (one year ago) link

there goes their shot at making this at least quasi interesting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

Thought the revive would be about the rumours that Idris Elba is lined up to play Bond.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:57 (one year ago) link

More interesting than the director is whether the script goes ahead without Purvis & Wade as planned

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

God, please

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

Danny Boyle would've made a fun Bond sure but I do still look forward to Ken Loach's take on the iconic spy

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) August 22, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 18:58 (eleven months ago) link

Loach, Gareth Evans or Joanna Hogg, all fine by me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:03 (eleven months ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:05 (eleven months ago) link

Don't know if Craig has any sway but as they worked on Logan Lucky together I wouldn't rule it out.

FWIW would love to see what Paul Verhoeven would do with it.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:13 (eleven months ago) link

james gunn’s available iirc

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:18 (eleven months ago) link

Albert Brooks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:21 (eleven months ago) link

Brad Bird

omar little, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:26 (eleven months ago) link

i was gonna say it's a little redundant but basically any m:i director not named jj abrams would've prob made a good bond film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:35 (eleven months ago) link

Verhoeven doing a PG-13 action film would be a waste.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:42 (eleven months ago) link

omar otm

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:45 (eleven months ago) link

Based on how well the fight scenes were staged in the last WHAS, I'd go for David Wain

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:25 (eleven months ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

https://resizing.flixster.com/Kngkfhcif-r24cJqI7_IaokXdHE=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3MzcwNjtqOzE3ODU5OzEyMDA7ODAwOzEyMDA

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:37 (eleven months ago) link

Just get a good cinematographer and stunt coordinator and a journeyman director.

abcfsk, Thursday, 23 August 2018 07:12 (eleven months ago) link

that’s irrelevant unless the atrocious writers are replaced as you said before!

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:16 (eleven months ago) link

like, Boyle & Hodge wld have been meat & potatoes, but Skyfall was watery gruel with plaster in it & Spectre was a greasy turd with a paper umbrella stuck in it at a jaunty angle

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:19 (eleven months ago) link

still get angry when I think about Spectre.

maybe this is naive but I don't understand why you'd spend millions making a movie and not go to the trouble of making sure your screenplay isn't total garbage, how hard can it be?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:32 (eleven months ago) link

bond movies are copyright-maintenance exercises where the scripts are product ads strung together with action setpieces

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:47 (eleven months ago) link

why bother thinking to hard about the scripts when showcasing jaguar and patek philippe or whatever is much more important

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:48 (eleven months ago) link

yes, sure, but is it actively more expensive/time-consuming to have a not shit script?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:59 (eleven months ago) link

well, at the very least you gotta find a decent writer who wants to do it, can do it for the budget the broccolis are willing to pay, and is available to turn in a final draft for the date they need to hit in order to meet their release date, so it probably is, yeah!

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 09:09 (eleven months ago) link

the problem with the last pair in particular was the sense that they really wanted to make critically approved action masterpieces as opposed to making great Bond films. So they made them ponderous and weighty and full of all kinds of Nolan hand-me-downs w/r/t motivation and "the past haunting the present" and all that bullshit.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:48 (eleven months ago) link

Quantum of Solace for all its faults was less a disaster than it was more of a throwback to the more mediocre (and yet still entertaining) Connery/Moore Bond films.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:51 (eleven months ago) link

quantum is gorgeously filmed except for the action sequences which are nonsense. it v rapidly evaporates from memory but i really enjoy it when it's on

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (eleven months ago) link

skyfall and spectre both suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (eleven months ago) link

i have probably posted both of those opinions 10000x before

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:56 (eleven months ago) link

no Bond film should ever involve the villain appearing on one end of a very long room and taking a ten minute walk towards the camera while delivering a monologue, I'm pretty sure Torgo from Manos Hands of Fate walked faster than Silva in that scene.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:00 (eleven months ago) link

Hahahah. But art!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:03 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

ah ffs

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 September 2018 17:01 (eleven months ago) link

this is both very good news and very bad news imo

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:33 (four months ago) link

i think i know what you mean

Number None, Monday, 15 April 2019 09:36 (four months ago) link

Nobody good should have to waste their time making bond films

mumsnet blvd (wins), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:38 (four months ago) link

Or Star Wars films

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:41 (four months ago) link

Her character in the Solo movie was the best thing it.

Tuomas, Monday, 15 April 2019 10:17 (four months ago) link

high praise indeed

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 10:30 (four months ago) link

Craig sat in the same row as my flatmate to see the Fleabag play two weeks ago

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:01 (four months ago) link

sic’s flatmate to direct bond #26 imo

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:02 (four months ago) link

That Solo character was irritating. Chewbacca was the most entertaining aspect of that debacle.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:27 (four months ago) link

So, we know more now:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-daniel-craig-rami-malek-1203197623/

Rami Malek as the bad guy, presumably battling Bond with a mustache and a questionable historical record. Further:

“We’ve got quite a ride in store for Mr. Bond,” promised producer Barbara Broccoli. She also left a few breadcrumbs about what that ride might entail, telling viewers that the film will start with Bond out of active service and on holiday.

“He’s enjoying himself in Jamaica,” said Broccoli, who added that the production has built an “extraordinary” house for the famous agent and his license to kill. The official log-line states that “[Bond’s] peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.”

Naomie Harris back as Moneypenny, plus:

Locations for the movie also include London, Italy and Norway, where some shooting has already taken place. The cast will include returning actors Lea Seydoux (Dr. Madeleine Swann), Jeffrey Wright (Felix Leiter), Ben Whishaw (Q), Rory Kinnear (Tanner) and Ralph Fiennes (M). Newcomers include Lashana Lynch, David Dencik, Ana De Armas and Dali Benssalah. The producers confirmed a Variety scoop that Billy Magnussen has joined the cast. Variety also previously reported Malek’s casting. The producers confirmed that the script will be written by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, Scott Z. Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:38 (three months ago) link

ahh, the ol’ post-oscar cash-grab

we love to see it don’t we folks, we love it

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:57 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

We got title, we got release date:

Daniel Craig returns as James Bond, 007 in… NO TIME TO DIE. Out in the UK on 3 April 2020 and 8 April 2020 in the US. #Bond25 #NoTimeToDie pic.twitter.com/qxYEnMhk2s

— James Bond (@007) August 20, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:20 (yesterday) link

even bond needs to turn the phone off and recharge, build some time into schedule to work on himself, and rejuvenate. if there is no time, we have to make time

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:23 (yesterday) link

you do have time to die, james. it starts with the idea that you do, in fact, have time.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:24 (yesterday) link

a time to die, a time to choog

maffew12, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:27 (yesterday) link

tired: getting Phoebe Waller-Bridge to do "feminist" punchup
wired: casting Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the fist Bond girl to peg Bond

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:00 (yesterday) link

Nice Freudian slip there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:05 (yesterday) link

Also we got synopsis:

In No Time To Die, Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

Mysterio er wait.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:08 (yesterday) link

wired: casting Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the fist Bond girl to peg Bond

BOND: Did she say I have a big asshole!?!?

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:18 (yesterday) link

Nice Freudian slip there.

oh there was no slip involved

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:54 (yesterday) link

felix leiter again huh. the most boring bond character.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:14 (yesterday) link

leiter is good...

for feeding to a shark

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:16 (yesterday) link

How many times has Leiter died or been horribly maimed in the Bond series?

omar little, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:20 (yesterday) link

maimed in licence to kill. never killed. i looked this up even before your post.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:48 (yesterday) link

Craig even looks like he can't be bothered in that 2-second promo clip

Number None, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:49 (yesterday) link

I like this daft film title

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:52 (yesterday) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqDwqdSF6Ec

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:06 (yesterday) link


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